SEGMENT 1
Introduces today’s topic: the sights & sounds of the wilderness and today’s special guest: Dale Stewart. Stewart explains how he came to learn to love and embrace new cultures and people on his trips across the world and how amazing and unique each location he has visited is. Each place has become a memorable trip and the reason why is more often than not, the hospitality of the people. This conversation leads to Stewart’s Cherokee Trail of Tears trip by kayak, which had sparked a lot of interest from the public.
SEGMENT 2
Coming back from the break, the conversation about the Cherokee and the Trail of Tears continues. There is a story that is different from what is taught in schools during the removal of many native tribes. Cherokees had a bit of a unique experience with their removal and the Trail of Tears that Stewart goes into during this conversation. The conversation shifts to Stewart’s favorite Smoky Mountains trips, where he plans to travel next, and his recommendations for great hiking trails.
SEGMENT 3
Introduces the topic of sounds of the wilderness. Stewart talks about how sound can be used to see in the wild and talks more about soundscaping. With his audio documentaries, he found himself to be able to immerse others into these stories with his audio recordings of where he’s been, as he does with his works with channels, such as the Discovery Channel.
SEGMENT 4
Coming back from the break, Stewart talks about what he looks for when recording audio in the wilderness. Stewart talks about where to find more information on his current and future projects that people can look forward to.
TRANSCRIPT
00:00:32.730 –> 00:00:33.330 Joseph McElroy: hey.
00:00:33.540 –> 00:00:36.330 Joseph McElroy: Thanks for joining us on this week’s episode of
00:00:36.360 –> 00:00:45.660 Joseph McElroy: gateway to the smokies this podcast is about America’s most visited National Park, the great smoky mountains National Park, and the surrounding area.
00:00:46.290 –> 00:00:54.780 Joseph McElroy: This area is filled with ancient natural beauty deep storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore weekly episodes.
00:00:55.140 –> 00:01:06.930 Joseph McElroy: I’m Joseph Franklyn McElroy a man of the world, but also with deep roots in these mountains and my family’s lived in great smokies for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.
00:01:07.740 –> 00:01:13.380 Joseph McElroy: And today’s episode we’re going to learn about the sites and, more importantly, about the sounds of the wilderness.
00:01:14.280 –> 00:01:23.640 Joseph McElroy: But first we’ll give you a little bit of news, more than 6 million people have witnessed the heart-wrenching action soaring triumph of unto these hills.
00:01:23.940 –> 00:01:30.450 Joseph McElroy: For over 70 years and, after being canceled in 2020 the legacy lives on in 2021.
00:01:30.960 –> 00:01:41.550 Joseph McElroy: The iconic dread drama stage in a large outdoor amphitheater debuted for the season over memorable Memorial Day weekend and we’ll run through August 14.
00:01:42.120 –> 00:01:48.960 Joseph McElroy: This show in Cherokee chronicles the tales of Cherokee from 1782 to the 21st century.
00:01:49.350 –> 00:02:00.270 Joseph McElroy: The show includes action film fight scenes reenactments of cultural events historical events grief of Cherokee removal and resilience of the Cherokee people and culture.
00:02:00.780 –> 00:02:07.500 Joseph McElroy: shows run every night except Sundays and Mondays on Saturdays you can find out more visit CherokeeNC.com.
00:02:08.250 –> 00:02:21.570 Joseph McElroy: Also, promoting a couple of events at the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley there’s going to be on July 7 or eighth there’s gonna be a PlottFest reunion weekend where they’re going to talk about the Plott how which is the same dog of North Carolina.
00:02:22.200 –> 00:02:30.390 Joseph McElroy: And plans to get a festival started and it’s going to include all sorts of celebrities and historians like Bob Plott who’s.
00:02:30.870 –> 00:02:39.360 Joseph McElroy: You know acclaimed historian of the Plott hound and you’re gonna see family guns and accouterments and hunting displays and pedigree displays.
00:02:39.960 –> 00:02:44.940 Joseph McElroy: mechanical bear baby bear bait DEMO you have a meet and greet you have food.
00:02:45.240 –> 00:02:54.750 Joseph McElroy: is going to be a wonderful time so come and see the show come to experience the event, there can be raffle items donated by Gary Bady have GT hunting supplies.
00:02:55.020 –> 00:03:01.980 Joseph McElroy: A book signing with Bob Plott and Jacob Block and there are old-time haunting tunes and balance with William Ritter.
00:03:02.430 –> 00:03:07.800 Joseph McElroy: And then there’s a fire and a pavilion and bonfires and all sorts of fun things to do.
00:03:08.250 –> 00:03:15.480 Joseph McElroy: That, on July 17 Darren Nicholson of Balsam range fame is going to have a bluegrass band camp and concert.
00:03:15.960 –> 00:03:26.010 Joseph McElroy: On Saturday, July 17 and it’s going to be a band workshop with the dead air and Nicholson ADI play lock Eric Ellis and Read Jones there’ll be songwriting.
00:03:26.520 –> 00:03:43.980 Joseph McElroy: workshop with Darren and his friends there’s going to be instrumental workshops, with the Read and mainland base with reading mandolin with their and banjo with Eric and guitar dog maybe an all-star content concert that night, so what you can get separate tickets to.
00:03:45.870 –> 00:03:56.430 Joseph McElroy: So, today I have an award-winning media host, solo explorer, naturalist, Ethnologist, Author, and Natural Sound Recorder Dale Stewart.
00:03:56.790 –> 00:04:08.070 Joseph McElroy: Who has lived and learned from indigenous tribes on six continents, while establishing his stellar reputation as one of the top solo explorers in the world today how you doing Dale.
00:04:08.520 –> 00:04:10.170 Dale Stewart: I’m great Joseph how are you, my friend.
00:04:10.470 –> 00:04:15.270 Joseph McElroy: Fine, fine the weather cleared up down to Maggie I mean down in the Asheville area.
00:04:15.660 –> 00:04:16.170 Dale Stewart: It has.
00:04:16.470 –> 00:04:27.330 Joseph McElroy: yeah good, so I understand and I did a little research you started your career as a firefighter and commercial diver but now you’re an accomplished scientist and media personality, with a.
00:04:27.600 –> 00:04:40.980 Joseph McElroy: Radio show called nature’s edge and a host of features on national TV like the animal planet and history channel discovery channel so tell me how did that amazing journey happen well.
00:04:41.010 –> 00:04:50.280 Dale Stewart: You know I grew up in Louisiana South Louisiana and Central Louisiana and kind of grew up as an outdoors person I mean my whole family.
00:04:51.090 –> 00:05:00.630 Dale Stewart: love the outdoors and we spent a great deal of time there, and so we just sort of an evolution, I was one of those guys that never really wanted to.
00:05:01.410 –> 00:05:19.620 Dale Stewart: To have a real job I guess that you know sitting behind a desk I could never visualize myself for when that eight to five rolled so it did you sort of morphed into me seeking to go other places and learn how other people lived and about their culture.
00:05:20.610 –> 00:05:26.880 Joseph McElroy: I find an inquisitive mind seems to be a necessary part of what you do so.
00:05:28.500 –> 00:05:41.520 Joseph McElroy: So you’ve led this incredible life and they’re still going strong and you always seem to be looking for new challenges and you’ve crossed the Bering strait and I think kayak and you traverse the Amazon river that canoe.
00:05:41.790 –> 00:05:45.450 Joseph McElroy: So are those your favorite solo trips are there, others.
00:05:46.110 –> 00:05:59.520 Dale Stewart: You know I really and I get asked this question a lot, you know about picking a favorite and I, you know I really don’t have a favorite you know I’ve been to some amazing places and every place that I’ve gone to.
00:06:00.240 –> 00:06:10.230 Dale Stewart: I selected for a specific reason, whether it was you know the environment, whether it was the culture of the people that were there, whether it was the wildlife that was there, so.
00:06:10.590 –> 00:06:22.020 Dale Stewart: Every place I’ve gone has had a uniqueness to it that I find exhilarating and as a solo explore, I mean one of the reasons I think anyone gets into exploration is.
00:06:22.470 –> 00:06:36.210 Dale Stewart: is to gain knowledge and to learn, and then the two I think it’s also important to come back and share that knowledge so picking one spot would be extremely difficult because they all have their uniqueness about them.
00:06:36.930 –> 00:06:37.740 Joseph McElroy: Well, is.
00:06:38.820 –> 00:06:42.000 Joseph McElroy: You know I am a travel marketer right.
00:06:42.180 –> 00:06:47.160 Joseph McElroy: And yeah and I did research into what people you know what makes travel.
00:06:47.730 –> 00:06:53.850 Joseph McElroy: You know what will get people to do to revisit things like that and go back to something else and it’s.
00:06:54.180 –> 00:07:12.540 Joseph McElroy: And it’s there’s a concept called memorable travel and tourism experiences that in academia they’ve invented but I’ve sort of taken it and made it into the practical approach and but basically there’s that there’s you have experiences that become flashbulb memories in your head right.
00:07:12.930 –> 00:07:22.110 Joseph McElroy: yeah that you just remember vividly and it’s really if you experience some several one at one or two or three of several emotions like.
00:07:22.410 –> 00:07:34.770 Joseph McElroy: You know you got to have the immersion into a local culture yeah and that that sort of feeling of belonging or new knowledge that you got her hedonism you know, food and drink or.
00:07:35.100 –> 00:07:47.070 Joseph McElroy: or refreshment like a feeling of so what would make what makes him a solo exploring trip very memorable that you have these flashbulb memories and do you have any that you can mention.
00:07:48.270 –> 00:07:51.030 Dale Stewart: Well sure I mean, I have a lot of them and.
00:07:52.830 –> 00:08:00.120 Dale Stewart: because every time I do an expedition whether it’s solo or whether I’m just traveling.
00:08:00.930 –> 00:08:12.420 Dale Stewart: You know there, there are always things that I’m looking forward to trying together, I think you know, one of the things about traveling around the world that I’ve been fortunate to do that, that probably made the largest impression on me.
00:08:13.620 –> 00:08:15.150 Dale Stewart: Was the hospitality of the people.
00:08:16.800 –> 00:08:18.870 Dale Stewart: Whether it was a hospitality of the people.
00:08:20.250 –> 00:08:30.960 Dale Stewart: In a remote tribal village in the Amazon, or whether it was the hospitality of other people in a larger city that the way people treat one another.
00:08:32.910 –> 00:08:50.820 Dale Stewart: One on one to me has always been one of the things that sort of stood out for me and then, of course, you know the, you have the scenery and and and the sounds and learning to use your other senses and everything else that makes each individual place unique with Anton right.
00:08:51.720 –> 00:08:56.850 Joseph McElroy: You know is that it, you know isn’t that interesting it’s like you go to these faraway places.
00:08:57.450 –> 00:09:07.980 Joseph McElroy: And you know, to see a giant mountain or long river or some animal or something like that you know, but then you come away with a deep memory of the people.
00:09:08.430 –> 00:09:18.060 Joseph McElroy: Right and the interactions with the local culture and that really is what sets these trips apart yeah and a lot of ways, you know, in that, in that, like.
00:09:18.960 –> 00:09:32.010 Joseph McElroy: Traditionally, what do you live in the by you, but we’re talking about the smoky mountains you’re living in really strong cultural traditions in that white people come back and a lot of ways to those cultures to go visit.
00:09:32.910 –> 00:09:43.440 Dale Stewart: Well, I think, so you know growing up in Louisiana certainly I was surrounded by a lot of different various cultures, you know from the Korean culture to the cajun call her the home, I Indian culture.
00:09:44.850 –> 00:10:00.150 Dale Stewart: And, and the various unique cultures, and I think that was really one of the things that made me want to get out there and see what the rest of the world was like and look and really study these other cultures and and and try to learn as much as I could about them.
00:10:00.750 –> 00:10:08.730 Joseph McElroy: You know I am I’m married my wife, you know and in 2017 I met her in 2014 and.
00:10:09.120 –> 00:10:21.870 Joseph McElroy: You know, one of the things that sealed the deal with me is she actually took me to Trinidad’s earlier relationship and I got to experience actually doing their version of mardi gras was called playing master you know.
00:10:23.130 –> 00:10:34.770 Joseph McElroy: carnival and it was just such a deep enriching experience I just love being part of that family experience, I think that she sent me up the way.
00:10:36.720 –> 00:10:48.900 Dale Stewart: You know it’s like a drink like and you mentioned this and travel, I mean every time I speak to someone that that’s been to a location, particularly out of the United States, they always say Max I can’t wait to go back there.
00:10:49.860 –> 00:11:06.570 Dale Stewart: So it does you know, and I think at heart we’re all explorers and we all like to do that, you know when I leave a place I’m looking for that next adventure that next location, but I find that most people want to go back to where they just returned from for one reason or not.
00:11:07.140 –> 00:11:13.590 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah yeah the marketing industry in the hospitality industry to talents on that, frankly.
00:11:13.950 –> 00:11:25.260 Joseph McElroy: yeah it’s called revisit intention and brand loyalty and all that sort of stuff and we essentially business couldn’t really survive if you didn’t have that so you know, the vast majority of people.
00:11:25.620 –> 00:11:41.070 Joseph McElroy: You know our love to go back to the comfort of what they know because they have that that warm memory, but there are others yeah I’m a big you know I love to go exploring as well, I do it in different ways, you know I’m not the adventure that you are.
00:11:42.540 –> 00:11:51.930 Joseph McElroy: But I understand the drive of it, you know I come up more of an outdoorsman I probably wouldn’t be the following a path similar to yours.
00:11:52.920 –> 00:11:59.790 Dale Stewart: You know, you can explore anywhere, you can explore your own backyard or in your own community you live in.
00:11:59.820 –> 00:12:01.710 Dale Stewart: So there’s always a villain.
00:12:02.100 –> 00:12:04.560 Joseph McElroy: I like to explore the big cities, I.
00:12:04.560 –> 00:12:12.060 Joseph McElroy: Like or other culture and the depths of it and that sort of stuff but I love I also love to go to a small town too I love.
00:12:12.510 –> 00:12:19.290 Joseph McElroy: Where people congregate and commerce and living and understand the pathways that are happening there.
00:12:19.920 –> 00:12:29.490 Joseph McElroy: But anyway, let’s back to the smokies because I do that’s where my heritage and what I grew up with, and you know, being a self-centered guy that it is I got to celebrate the culture that produces me.
00:12:33.180 –> 00:12:37.470 Joseph McElroy: So let me hear they’re the smokies you know people are very.
00:12:38.520 –> 00:12:43.590 Joseph McElroy: I mean I’ve seen some articles that people are very intrigued by your chair key trail of tears trip.
00:12:44.280 –> 00:12:56.760 Joseph McElroy: yeah you retrace the infamous tale of two years by kayak a 60 day 1300 mile trip from Chattanooga to Fort gifts in Oklahoma, can you tell us a little bit about how it came about.
00:12:57.390 –> 00:13:06.870 Dale Stewart: Well, absolutely you know, I was looking for something to do here in the United States, most of my explanations had been overseas, or in other locales.
00:13:08.220 –> 00:13:13.530 Dale Stewart: Although I had paddled some of the major rivers here in the United States, like the Mississippi in Missouri and then oh wow.
00:13:14.040 –> 00:13:27.840 Dale Stewart: And so I was looking around and I had a lot of good friends over in Cherokee with each and bear the Cherokee Indian and also because I’m somewhat of a historian was aware that 170 fifth anniversary of the trail of tears was coming up.
00:13:28.950 –> 00:13:39.600 Dale Stewart: Back in 2012 and when I did this, and so I began to look around and decided was over talking to some of the elders in Cherokee.
00:13:40.050 –> 00:13:45.900 Dale Stewart: And they asked me about the water route they knew I paddled and they said, what do you know about the water route and I said nothing.
00:13:46.500 –> 00:13:51.510 Dale Stewart: I didn’t even know, there was a water route at that time and I found that most people did not know that.
00:13:51.840 –> 00:13:57.720 Dale Stewart: So I started looking around and decided hey you know, this is something that I need to do both to bring attention.
00:13:58.110 –> 00:14:04.980 Dale Stewart: To the trail of tears and something and to bring attention to the fact that there was a water route and.
00:14:05.520 –> 00:14:16.740 Dale Stewart: What many people don’t know the trail of tears also as you’re probably aware of not only include the Cherokee but also the Chickasaw the chalk call the creek and the Seminole the FAB.
00:14:17.070 –> 00:14:18.570 Joseph McElroy: Five civilized tribes.
00:14:19.320 –> 00:14:22.140 Dale Stewart: All of them were removed by water at some point.
00:14:22.200 –> 00:14:32.190 Dale Stewart: Some portion of them a seminar will remove one simple water, so I decided to retrace the water route and started in Chattanooga on the Tennessee River.
00:14:32.580 –> 00:14:41.700 Dale Stewart: paddled it up to Ohio and then turn left on the Ohio river to the Mississippian turn South on Mississippi to the Arkansas Reverend and paddle the Arkansas river Oklahoma.
00:14:42.150 –> 00:14:47.850 Joseph McElroy: wow well when we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about that and then find out some of the other ventures that you’ve had.
00:14:48.270 –> 00:14:48.990 Absolutely.
00:16:48.390 –> 00:16:49.710 educating our.
00:17:21.750 –> 00:17:29.160 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guest Dale Stewart.
00:17:29.490 –> 00:17:39.390 Joseph McElroy: So Dale I was researching around reading a little bit about you and so on interviewing you did in the sylvan have a newspaper about the about your chair key trip.
00:17:39.900 –> 00:17:48.480 Joseph McElroy: And you said, one can say the Cherokee nation is one of the most successful nations or tracks or tribes around and I don’t mean in the casino business, what did you mean.
00:17:49.530 –> 00:17:51.060 Dale Stewart: Well, they have a.
00:17:52.080 –> 00:17:53.670 Dale Stewart: Not only a great culture.
00:17:54.960 –> 00:17:59.670 Dale Stewart: But they’re survivors, I mean you know a lot of most of the.
00:18:00.720 –> 00:18:09.120 Dale Stewart: Indian nation chip van their growth drivers, I mean if you look at what they went through with the what’s around a product of the trail of tears.
00:18:09.600 –> 00:18:17.670 Dale Stewart: And you look at the division, if you will, of the Cherokee, of course, you have the Cherokee Eastern bound the Cherokee.
00:18:17.970 –> 00:18:28.230 Dale Stewart: located in western North Carolina on the quad boundary he has a Cherokee nation now, which is in Tahlequah Oklahoma and then you have the Dubai on a tear key, which is also headquartered toe.
00:18:28.590 –> 00:18:38.460 Dale Stewart: And so, even though they’ve had a separation of in many ways they’re still very successful as a tribe in.
00:18:39.060 –> 00:18:53.820 Dale Stewart: In everything they do yeah not just a casino but in other endeavors that they have done and keeping their language alive and continuing to keep their culture and just the way they celebrate their lifestyle.
00:18:54.540 –> 00:19:11.760 Joseph McElroy: Well, I read and I read it, you were talking about how this water voyage was the when they did it, they were surprising organized about it right or unexpected not from maybe at the time, but from our perception of what the trail of tears is.
00:19:12.630 –> 00:19:22.350 Dale Stewart: yeah you know, one of the things that the Cherokee were actually one of the last tribes removed if not the Left rob removed a lot of that had to do with their they had good.
00:19:23.850 –> 00:19:36.990 Dale Stewart: Political insight and Washington DC and were able to through a number of legal maneuvers and other things we’re able to kind of delay the inevitable which, which was the removal.
00:19:38.250 –> 00:19:46.620 Dale Stewart: But one of the things I negotiated where they actually were able to organize and do a lot of the removal themselves.
00:19:47.790 –> 00:20:00.060 Dale Stewart: Were yes, I had they still had military escorts and such but, for the most part, they were able to to do it themselves, and even the even on the water route.
00:20:00.780 –> 00:20:09.540 Dale Stewart: You have to understand that early on all of the tribes, the Federal Government really wanted to remove all the crowd by water they thought it would be faster quicker and easier.
00:20:10.470 –> 00:20:21.600 Dale Stewart: found out that it was not the case, it might have been quicker, but it was certainly the rivers were certainly not what they are today and they pretty much just packed them on barges.
00:20:23.070 –> 00:20:41.400 Dale Stewart: shoulder to shoulder, and in the heat and you know dysentery and other diseases became very commonplace on that and I know when I paddle in the water route, the summer that I found it in 2012 I paddled, for I think it was 20 something days with a temperature in excess of 100 degrees.
00:20:41.490 –> 00:20:42.090 Joseph McElroy: or your.
00:20:43.530 –> 00:20:51.450 Dale Stewart: manager imagine what you know, and I had pretty sophisticated gear with me, so I could just imagine what.
00:20:52.650 –> 00:20:57.450 Dale Stewart: The these the removal Indians had to suffer just being packed.
00:20:58.470 –> 00:21:02.910 Dale Stewart: like sardines on a barge of some kind.
00:21:03.570 –> 00:21:08.400 Joseph McElroy: You know I complain about having to walk to the coffee shop on a 100-degree day in New York City.
00:21:11.370 –> 00:21:17.430 Joseph McElroy: So I heard, there was a documentary and a book about that trip that you were working on is that we have become available.
00:21:17.940 –> 00:21:21.780 Dale Stewart: Well, not yeah and you know, and I get asked that question a lot.
00:21:22.830 –> 00:21:25.500 Dale Stewart: The book is probably 98% finished.
00:21:26.940 –> 00:21:29.280 Dale Stewart: What happens is life gets in the way.
00:21:29.430 –> 00:21:31.230 Joseph McElroy: Oh, always always always.
00:21:31.740 –> 00:21:41.610 Dale Stewart: Things and so it’s just a matter of me finding a little opportunity to finish the book up and get it out there which I want to do, I mean.
00:21:42.810 –> 00:21:52.950 Dale Stewart: As I said, I’m a big believer in sharing knowledge and what we found out and I’ve been very lucky, I still to this day, get asked to speak, a lot about the trail of tears and.
00:21:53.550 –> 00:22:01.080 Dale Stewart: about other things and people always asked me the other question are you Cherokee or do you have it, no I’m Scottish I’m pretty much.
00:22:02.340 –> 00:22:03.810 Dale Stewart: As far as I know, have had.
00:22:05.010 –> 00:22:07.860 Dale Stewart: No Indian heritage in my background.
00:22:09.150 –> 00:22:19.080 Dale Stewart: But having said that, I always think it’s important to share this kind of historical event so that we don’t repeat them, and so that we don’t forget about them.
00:22:19.170 –> 00:22:22.770 Joseph McElroy: yeah are these as well, I really admired you for doing that.
00:22:24.390 –> 00:22:30.720 Joseph McElroy: So you have literally explored and live for weeks and months, at a time on six continents.
00:22:31.140 –> 00:22:37.860 Joseph McElroy: yeah very interesting days at a time and 100-degree temperature and swapping waters let’s not mention that.
00:22:39.180 –> 00:22:53.430 Joseph McElroy: So you have experienced some of the most amazing places in the world, it could live anywhere, you wish that you chose the national and made it your own for years, what makes Asheville the surrounding region so special, why did you choose to make your hope there.
00:22:55.110 –> 00:23:00.060 Dale Stewart: The smoky mountains, the miles, and miles of hiking trails the
00:23:01.170 –> 00:23:04.560 Dale Stewart: placid lakes, the streams of water, the whitewater.
00:23:06.060 –> 00:23:22.740 Dale Stewart: pretty much anything that I want to do I’ve got and we have available to us here in Western North Carolina as well as a lot of people may not know or forgot the highest mountains on the eastern coast of the United States are located in western North Carolina.
00:23:24.240 –> 00:23:25.740 Joseph McElroy: mount Mitchell right now.
00:23:26.640 –> 00:23:28.830 Dale Stewart: I’m Michel is the tallest we have other mountains.
00:23:29.130 –> 00:23:29.640 Dale Stewart: You know there.
00:23:29.970 –> 00:23:31.500 Dale Stewart: Are thousand feet and so.
00:23:33.090 –> 00:23:35.190 Dale Stewart: You know I I love those mountains.
00:23:35.850 –> 00:23:40.230 Joseph McElroy: I do, too, I like skyscrapers on the top of mountains and.
00:23:41.880 –> 00:23:42.270 Dale Stewart: I like.
00:23:42.420 –> 00:23:44.070 Joseph McElroy: To view yeah.
00:23:45.120 –> 00:23:50.160 Dale Stewart: Like climbing up on the top of a mountain tonight and being up there when the sun comes up.
00:23:50.550 –> 00:24:01.830 Joseph McElroy: yeah I was a kid my brother and I used to go to the top of the property where we lived and had a great view to build ourselves for it up there, we go sleep but there’s just the way go.
00:24:02.640 –> 00:24:02.880 yeah.
00:24:04.110 –> 00:24:11.130 Dale Stewart: Haywood county has some of the best hiking trails and Western North Carolina around the valley and areas that you’re very familiar with.
00:24:11.310 –> 00:24:14.130 Joseph McElroy: yeah they’re great they’re all there are dependence trails.
00:24:14.520 –> 00:24:18.810 Joseph McElroy: Absolutely know what are your favorites, what is your favorite smoky mountain adventure.
00:24:19.980 –> 00:24:20.790 Dale Stewart: Oh, goodness.
00:24:22.680 –> 00:24:26.070 Dale Stewart: You know, again it’s kind of like asking me worth my favorite place.
00:24:27.300 –> 00:24:41.640 Dale Stewart: name and I, you know I wake up on any given morning and I kind of decide if, when I want to get outside where I want to go hiking or what I want to grab one of my books and go paddle or are do I want to combine the two which I, which I often do.
00:24:42.270 –> 00:24:42.870 Dale Stewart: But I.
00:24:43.290 –> 00:24:54.180 Dale Stewart: You know, again I’m still exploring these mountains I’ve lived here now for nearly 20 years and they are still many places that I have yet to try and.
00:24:54.840 –> 00:25:07.380 Dale Stewart: And until I don’t really I’m not one to sort of following the trails that are already that people know out there, I tend to go make my own path, mainly because when I’m out there, I don’t want to see other people.
00:25:08.760 –> 00:25:15.810 Joseph McElroy: We know the in the art world, they want to ask him if he was because of the teeth what his favorite painting, he was.
00:25:16.020 –> 00:25:19.320 Joseph McElroy: yeah he said, the next one, so what’s your next adventure.
00:25:20.910 –> 00:25:22.230 Dale Stewart: You know that’s
00:25:24.090 –> 00:25:29.070 Dale Stewart: And we can talk about this a little later, but you know I’ve really got into recording nature sounds.
00:25:30.870 –> 00:25:35.250 Dale Stewart: And so pretty much what I’m doing now, or a year around that.
00:25:36.330 –> 00:25:46.140 Dale Stewart: And the probably been my next out-of-country trip will be back to back to East Africa Kilimanjaro cool.
00:25:46.830 –> 00:25:58.440 Joseph McElroy: Well, is there any favorite hiking or canoeing or you don’t say my favorite what immediately comes to mind of a good hiking spot and canoeing sparked you to recommend some people go visit when they come there.
00:25:59.220 –> 00:26:07.290 Dale Stewart: Well, of course, the Appalachian trail comes through here and people can take different walks on it.
00:26:08.580 –> 00:26:13.680 Dale Stewart: let’s see the black balsam trail is a good trail.
00:26:14.940 –> 00:26:32.550 Dale Stewart: Deep creek trail is another trail that I like a cold mountain has some great trails that you can walk and then, of course, I really like I’m a big fan of Horrace Kephart and I really like to get park prom trail over in the smoky mountain National Park.
00:26:33.030 –> 00:26:39.300 Joseph McElroy: Oh cool Those are all really great ones and the stream it’s great for canoeing.
00:26:40.440 –> 00:26:46.920 Dale Stewart: Oh, am if there’s enough water for me to get get my boat in I’m all for it because I don’t live very.
00:26:47.490 –> 00:26:56.670 Dale Stewart: Lacking I’m almost to rock because the french broad river, from where I live, so I spent a lot of time on the French broad and it’s just kind of it can be a nice easy.
00:26:57.660 –> 00:27:07.170 Dale Stewart: river to be on or if it’s heavy rain, it can be something else if I want a little more excitement I can head over to the Navajo young and getting a little white water and.
00:27:08.400 –> 00:27:19.710 Dale Stewart: get up there, but in the summertime, these rivers, like the trails can get awfully busy so I’m looking for that that next little creek drag gets on it doesn’t have a lot of people on.
00:27:21.480 –> 00:27:25.890 Joseph McElroy: So so let’s talk food you’re a Louisiana native and we know that.
00:27:25.950 –> 00:27:39.450 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah you know that there’s some great food in Louisiana so I’m sure you have a good appreciation of various cuisine especially southern cuisines tell me about your favorite place in the smokies around national that we want.
00:27:40.050 –> 00:27:40.590 Dale Stewart: Oh man.
00:27:42.180 –> 00:27:48.480 Dale Stewart: Again, there are a lot of great little small restaurants in the Asheville area in Western North Carolina.
00:27:49.230 –> 00:28:01.350 Dale Stewart: one place, that I find going to quite a bit just because I like sitting outside is the Hemingway CAFE and downtown nicely like got a great rooftop area place to sit.
00:28:01.920 –> 00:28:13.920 Dale Stewart: And you were mentioned, I was from Louisiana when I get a hankering for benny’s there’s a great little New Orleans CAFE and the growth park in those sales beanies and that great Louisiana coffee Community coffee.
00:28:14.250 –> 00:28:14.970 Joseph McElroy: Oh wow.
00:28:15.570 –> 00:28:29.580 Dale Stewart: So it’s there, so you know but, just like exploring I my wife and I like to seek out little sort of out of the way restaurants, that that have great food and they’re sort of scattered around everywhere.
00:28:30.060 –> 00:28:38.520 Joseph McElroy: yeah it’s really surprising how you can just you know stop and look for a hole in the wall and go in there and just really have a great meal yeah.
00:28:39.660 –> 00:28:40.020 Dale Stewart: Totally.
00:28:40.260 –> 00:28:45.630 Joseph McElroy: yeah so people get very clear to the actual areas become a foodie haven.
00:28:46.920 –> 00:28:47.190 Dale Stewart: yeah.
00:28:47.340 –> 00:28:49.530 Dale Stewart: All right, and that in and beer.
00:28:49.920 –> 00:28:57.060 Joseph McElroy: That in beer you definitely get a good gain your the weights, you need to stock up for your adventures.
00:28:57.660 –> 00:28:58.050 yeah.
00:28:59.550 –> 00:29:07.380 Dale Stewart: Well, you know craft beer I’m begging Western North Carolina, and I just actually but it almost any of the old times you go into he’s got a craft beer placement.
00:29:08.010 –> 00:29:11.160 Joseph McElroy: Now you also know a little bit about Highlands ever cabin out there right.
00:29:11.640 –> 00:29:12.300 Dale Stewart: What do you like yeah.
00:29:14.730 –> 00:29:22.260 Dale Stewart: yeah well, of course, in a Holland catchers area is just another one of those great little places that.
00:29:22.830 –> 00:29:30.630 Dale Stewart: You started gotta be wanting to go there to get there, but you know how long’s North Carolina it’s just an amazing little town.
00:29:31.020 –> 00:29:34.890 Dale Stewart: You know, in the wintertime I think there are less than 900 people there and then it.
00:29:35.370 –> 00:29:44.010 Dale Stewart: sort of exploded in the summer, because a lot of people have second homes they’re particularly Atlanta corralled tends to come up there, but again, this great.
00:29:44.460 –> 00:29:58.530 Dale Stewart: outdoor areas great hiking areas great restaurants in that in that area and great people, one of the things that I find surprising is I’m always excited when I find somebody that’s an ad from look there.
00:30:00.690 –> 00:30:02.070 Dale Stewart: there’s not many of them it’s saying.
00:30:02.730 –> 00:30:07.830 Joseph McElroy: Well yeah there was never a big it was like when I was going to Maggie Valley hundred people now.
00:30:08.010 –> 00:30:10.830 Joseph McElroy: yeah claim to him yeah lots more.
00:30:13.260 –> 00:30:18.330 Joseph McElroy: So when we come back we’re talking about your sounds of the wilderness sounds very interesting.
00:30:18.930 –> 00:30:19.680 Absolutely.
00:33:08.760 –> 00:33:21.060 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcasts in my guest Dale Stewart’s and Dale you know I’m also an artist.
00:33:21.480 –> 00:33:26.070 Joseph McElroy: And some of my actually some of the most profound artistic experiences I’ve had.
00:33:26.430 –> 00:33:32.130 Joseph McElroy: going to show their museums, have been sound installations, where people will do slices of life or.
00:33:32.400 –> 00:33:46.170 Joseph McElroy: You know, or the nature or whatever I remember also as a kid here hearing for the first time this sounds of a way along recording it just blew me away because I didn’t know they could do that sort of thing, so you have.
00:33:46.860 –> 00:33:53.820 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know you’ve been doing this thing of you know, the sounds of the wilderness, and you have this recording career and you’ve been.
00:33:54.810 –> 00:34:04.680 Joseph McElroy: you’ve done some incorporating natural sounds and some records by country artists correct right so, can you count to get some of that and what you’ve done and who you’ve worked with.
00:34:05.670 –> 00:34:17.550 Dale Stewart: Well yeah I mean sound is is something that I really developed as a solo explore, I mean one of them as humans sound is one of those things that keeps us safe.
00:34:18.780 –> 00:34:30.930 Dale Stewart: And so, when I was out there in the middle of nowhere by myself, not only was I using my vision to see what was going on, I was using my ears and Emma other senses, you know the smell and.
00:34:31.650 –> 00:34:38.160 Dale Stewart: All of those things that go into analyzing what’s going on in an environment.
00:34:38.610 –> 00:34:51.300 Dale Stewart: And certainly if you’re in if you’re deep in the jungle and you’re you hear a lot of animals and you hear a lot of things going on and then all of a sudden everything just shuts down that’s that’s can be a warning sign that.
00:34:52.080 –> 00:34:52.440 Dale Stewart: might be.
00:34:52.740 –> 00:34:59.550 Dale Stewart: Something else out there, that you need to be aware of, but one of the great regrets I have is that early on.
00:35:01.470 –> 00:35:10.770 Dale Stewart: Going back gosh nearly 40 years now that I didn’t have my recorder with me on many of the TRIPS and many of the places I’ve gone it.
00:35:11.400 –> 00:35:17.550 Dale Stewart: it’s one of the things that makes me want to go back and record those sounds again, but I guess.
00:35:18.330 –> 00:35:35.430 Dale Stewart: You know, probably the last 10 or 12 years I’ve gotten very involved with recording what we call soundscapes and soundscape is sort of the sounds of a given environment, so I could have my equipment and record a sound in downtown New York City or downtown Asheville.
00:35:36.510 –> 00:35:45.180 Dale Stewart: And also take those recordings and go high into the mountains of Western North Carolina and record the sounds that.
00:35:45.750 –> 00:35:53.100 Dale Stewart: Have a brook of a waterfall of birds, is it landed trees and also learned that.
00:35:53.730 –> 00:36:03.180 Dale Stewart: The sounds change to write it right at dusk and write it daylight you go from sort of the daytime sounds to the nighttime sounds and that was that’s become.
00:36:03.630 –> 00:36:16.200 Dale Stewart: Pretty pretty interesting to me and I built a pretty large library, if you will, of these sounds one of the things that I’ve been doing for a number of years now, is doing by narrow or immersive sounds and.
00:36:17.430 –> 00:36:23.070 Dale Stewart: venereal sound recording is the way we here as humans, we have two ears that we herein.
00:36:24.630 –> 00:36:34.920 Dale Stewart: When I’m looking ahead on to you and I’m talking you’re hearing me in both of your ears, but if you turn one way or the other you’re going to pick up the sound and that here first is going to travel through.
00:36:35.340 –> 00:36:45.930 Dale Stewart: To the other year and so bonnier recording really record sounds the way the human actually hears them so I’ve gotten to do that and, as I developed.
00:36:45.960 –> 00:36:49.110 Joseph McElroy: a documentary that doesn’t require special equipment or.
00:36:49.350 –> 00:36:59.910 Dale Stewart: It does require special microphones and and and and a little knowledge is a little more to it than just sticking a microphone out there and recording something.
00:37:01.230 –> 00:37:14.730 Dale Stewart: But yeah so I kind of got known for doing that and emerging and also consider myself a storyteller so in doing documentaries or auto documentaries, I was looking for some way to integrate this sound.
00:37:15.270 –> 00:37:25.740 Dale Stewart: That could actually pull you into the to what I was doing or into the environment that the story was taking place and a found immersive sound or 3D sound or by an aerial sound.
00:37:26.400 –> 00:37:39.360 Dale Stewart: actually did that, because now, the sound is coming from you in all directions and not just in a mono or stereotype thing you were talking about the music industry and some things.
00:37:40.170 –> 00:37:48.000 Dale Stewart: A number of years ago, and most of this has been with producers buying the sounds more so than working specifically with given artists so.
00:37:48.870 –> 00:37:57.930 Dale Stewart: A producer, excuse me make purchase a sound of have running water or birds, or something else, and they may use it that sound in.
00:37:58.710 –> 00:38:05.850 Dale Stewart: Two or three different recordings with two or three different artists so it’s kind of all over the place, and then, of course, I work a lot with.
00:38:06.480 –> 00:38:14.430 Dale Stewart: With nature documentary people that are doing things for National Geographic discovery channel history channel travel channel.
00:38:15.150 –> 00:38:25.170 Dale Stewart: Where again we’re starting to use more and more immersive sound in those documentaries, to help pull the people and not just visually but with Sound
00:38:25.710 –> 00:38:41.010 Dale Stewart: You were talking about artists, I have, I have worked with a couple now, while I photographers who have had had shows of their work and they asked me to attach a sound card to their picture.
00:38:42.120 –> 00:38:45.420 Dale Stewart: And that’s been interesting and I’ve really enjoyed doing that.
00:38:46.200 –> 00:38:58.530 Joseph McElroy: That is cool I mean you know all of a sudden my mind is going a lot of different ways, and this is what triggers me this kind of things you know content is king I got another podcast called wise content yeah.
00:38:58.560 –> 00:39:05.910 Joseph McElroy: Creative writing content is king, but wise content rules, the world, and you know it’s about having more than just.
00:39:06.240 –> 00:39:24.480 Joseph McElroy: written word it’s yeah it’s all sorts of stuff It strikes me is especially in a travel destination, especially something like the smokies it’d be interesting to have certain articles that also have a sound right of the areas that would be sort of cool right you.
00:39:24.480 –> 00:39:39.780 Joseph McElroy: can actually you can hear the sound of the waterfall or you could hear the sound of the night when the fireflies are out and that sort of thing that that’s actually artistic romantic and interesting all it’s the same time.
00:39:40.890 –> 00:39:48.960 Dale Stewart: Yeah and you know it’s funny you mentioned fireflies I mean one of the other things that great in which you know about I’m sure, but you know we have a.
00:39:49.890 –> 00:40:01.260 Dale Stewart: synchronous firefly exhibit in the smoky mountains, this time of year, you know first of my first again over in the smoky mountain national park and.
00:40:02.340 –> 00:40:10.170 Dale Stewart: I mean it’s just worth millions and millions of these firefighters come together during a mating season and it’s truly a psycho.
00:40:10.920 –> 00:40:12.780 Joseph McElroy: I do they have a sound too.
00:40:13.710 –> 00:40:23.040 Dale Stewart: They do somewhat yeah I’ve ordered it’s not it’s almost like recording a bunch of mosquitoes but not quite this.
00:40:24.930 –> 00:40:25.560 Joseph McElroy: buzz.
00:40:26.010 –> 00:40:26.490 Dale Stewart: yeah but.
00:40:26.910 –> 00:40:39.390 Dale Stewart: yeah but I, you know I’m always looking at ways to record things I mean I’ve taken a little lapel microphone, if you will, and stuck them up and rotting logs and trees, just to record the insects that are in there.
00:40:40.620 –> 00:40:41.820 Dale Stewart: it’s it’s quite unusual.
00:40:42.480 –> 00:40:49.500 Joseph McElroy: Do you find it do you mean I’m assuming that there’s some importance there, but do you find it.
00:40:50.520 –> 00:40:59.490 Joseph McElroy: You know that it’s important for us to totally immerse ourselves in true wilderness experiences on that you know and through media.
00:41:00.510 –> 00:41:02.700 Dale Stewart: Well, absolutely I, you know that that’s.
00:41:03.900 –> 00:41:20.640 Dale Stewart: I think it’s not only healthy for us, but I think it’s necessary to get out there to really just sit and listen, one of the things that I often do when I’m hiking if I do come across people always ask you, what do you see, I always ask them what they heard and that.
00:41:22.560 –> 00:41:37.290 Dale Stewart: kind of throws them off, but you know if you go into any environment and just sit down and close your eyes and listen, you will come away from that environment with a different appreciation, then you have just if you look at it visually.
00:41:38.160 –> 00:41:47.490 Joseph McElroy: wow no, I see that again you stimulated the whole you know that creative.
00:41:48.510 –> 00:41:53.100 Joseph McElroy: the context in my mind is I can’t imagine having a.
00:41:55.080 –> 00:41:56.460 Joseph McElroy: Whatever you call them.
00:41:58.290 –> 00:42:01.980 Joseph McElroy: say a Pole, with the South headphones on it in the middle of the New York City street.
00:42:02.370 –> 00:42:13.410 Joseph McElroy: Where you put it on in to hear the sounds in their mountains, but then you can also have a poll on a hiking trail in the mountains, where that sound comes from and then he listened and put it on and you here in New York city streets.
00:42:15.810 –> 00:42:16.410 Dale Stewart: All the F.
00:42:17.700 –> 00:42:19.740 Dale Stewart: word in downtown New York City so.
00:42:21.120 –> 00:42:23.730 Joseph McElroy: that’s another kind of wilderness there.
00:42:23.730 –> 00:42:33.270 Dale Stewart: Right it is absolutely and takes a different mindset to survive there, but I did want to say, I mean I love using the sound of the soundscape.
00:42:33.690 –> 00:42:43.770 Dale Stewart: Not only in my radio show and podcast but, because it draws people in you know, for a long time, we would pull out ambient sounds and we didn’t want to hear them.
00:42:44.370 –> 00:42:52.020 Dale Stewart: You know if I’m interviewing someone on the street in downtown Asheville I want them, I want the people to hear the cars going by I want them.
00:42:52.380 –> 00:43:00.420 Dale Stewart: To hear the the the the different sounds to the city, because that helps place the listener in the location that you’re actually recording in.
00:43:01.020 –> 00:43:16.710 Joseph McElroy: Why would you come over to the Villa because, let me do a little bit recording there because people talk about how the confluence of recruits there plus there’s a little bit of traffic but it’s muffled by the buildings, this really sensor you know.
00:43:18.030 –> 00:43:27.960 Joseph McElroy: nostalgia, but without being nonmodern and it’s really relaxing but you’re still I’d love to see what that sounds like in a recording so that’s kind of.
00:43:29.070 –> 00:43:35.580 Dale Stewart: this day and age, if, when I show up somewhere mostly leather camera bag, I have my recording bag so.
00:43:36.150 –> 00:43:37.320 Dale Stewart: We can show you that.
00:43:37.620 –> 00:43:46.260 Joseph McElroy: Right alright, so we come back we’ll finish up talking about some of your favorite places that are unique in the mountains, to go do some sound recordings.
00:43:46.620 –> 00:43:47.040 Dale Stewart: All right.
00:46:05.340 –> 00:46:12.900 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts and I guess Dale Stewart and Dale.
00:46:14.310 –> 00:46:23.820 Joseph McElroy: You were talking about sounds were beside the fireflies where there are some unique sounds in the smokies wilderness to have adventures.
00:46:24.720 –> 00:46:28.620 Dale Stewart: Well, you know kind of bend a while I’m looking to record, or what I’m looking for.
00:46:30.360 –> 00:46:50.280 Dale Stewart: For us, this is gators cicada bugs are out now and are coming out after 17 years and that’s something that I absolutely want to on a record, so I seek out locations that might have a specific sound that I’m I’m wanting to to to go after the record.
00:46:51.300 –> 00:46:55.050 Dale Stewart: Of course, I have hours and hours of waterfalls and water sounds and.
00:46:55.110 –> 00:47:06.870 Dale Stewart: and different things, but I’m going over it, and the color boundary and Cherokee and recording the elk sounds you know the bugle of the elk a lot of people don’t realize it doesn’t live here, but we have a.
00:47:07.260 –> 00:47:14.430 Dale Stewart: fairly large jail Kurt now establish in particularly around Cherokee and then and Maggie valley there’s some of the.
00:47:15.000 –> 00:47:26.040 Dale Stewart: TIM to move into that area but they’re out of there, so I love to go there and record them I enjoy going on top of mountains, as we said, you talked about mount nature on some of the others because you get a.
00:47:26.550 –> 00:47:34.500 Dale Stewart: Not only a different environment but a different sound up there it’s a great place to go record, we also love to go in caves.
00:47:35.130 –> 00:47:43.230 Dale Stewart: And there are a number of caves scattered around Western North Carolina that I can go in and record everything from BAP sounds to
00:47:43.740 –> 00:47:53.760 Dale Stewart: The other critters that I might locate in there, so it really almost any place you go, including your backyard, you can get some great sounds.
00:47:54.480 –> 00:48:01.590 Dale Stewart: often have people ask me about gosh I wish I had all that fancy equipment, you have but look if you got if you’ve got a smartphone.
00:48:02.100 –> 00:48:09.810 Dale Stewart: you’ve got a pretty good tool to record with and it’s a great way just to start and it’s a great way I tell hikers.
00:48:10.500 –> 00:48:16.680 Dale Stewart: You know when you’re out there, taking pictures turn on a smartphone and record the same environment that you took the picture in.
00:48:16.950 –> 00:48:24.480 Dale Stewart: And when you get back not only look at the photograph but listen to the sounds that were going on around you at that time so it’s.
00:48:25.110 –> 00:48:38.700 Dale Stewart: something that did you can do almost anywhere to do that, I will say, one of the things that also got me into the sound recording I’ve been called an ethnologist just quite a bit and it’s a title that I.
00:48:39.750 –> 00:48:49.230 Dale Stewart: Take take on and ethnologist studies, different cultures, and societies, and I was mentioning other when I’m recording.
00:48:50.160 –> 00:48:57.480 Dale Stewart: an interview with someone from a specific culture, I also want to get the sounds of that culture if I’m recording in.
00:48:57.780 –> 00:49:06.120 Dale Stewart: South Louisiana shrimp boat I’ve got microphone set up so I can hear the sound of the boat, I want to hear the sound of that clicking sound at the front make.
00:49:06.450 –> 00:49:20.760 Dale Stewart: I want to hear the people on the boat is a is they do their thing at the same time I’m talking to a cajun shrimper about his life and about his culture so the sound is an important thing.
00:49:21.420 –> 00:49:31.020 Joseph McElroy: Where do you do, you have do you have any places that people can hear your sounds is there any is there anything online or their album or something like that.
00:49:31.650 –> 00:49:40.560 Dale Stewart: Well, not too much, I mean I do post sounds from time to time on my social media pages and I’m all you know the facebook’s the Twitter the.
00:49:40.890 –> 00:49:59.280 Dale Stewart: Instagram the Linkedin all that so from time to time I post things on there, I will say this because I get asked more and more and more about them, we are developing a new website, which hopefully will be up in the next 30 days and people will be able to go there and actually download.
00:50:00.540 –> 00:50:08.760 Dale Stewart: Some of the sounds that I have out there, and also, if they want to purchase them they’ll be able to purchase from the library there as well.
00:50:09.180 –> 00:50:19.860 Joseph McElroy: wow why invite you to have we can have an exhibitor a Smoky mountain Heritage Center where we can have some earphones and people can put it on here some of those sounds a.
00:50:20.850 –> 00:50:24.810 Dale Stewart: Little yeah you need to hit you really need headphones to listen to the immersive stuff.
00:50:24.900 –> 00:50:39.420 Dale Stewart: yeah and but otherwise you really don’t and I, you know I invite people to go out there and you know listen I think people forget to listen unless they’re listening to somebody talk on their iPad or their iPhone or something.
00:50:40.890 –> 00:50:52.380 Joseph McElroy: So you’ve worked on a lot of stuff all right you’ve got an A to z podcast you got a radio you’ve been working you’ve worked on documentary films, who works with country artists on their songs or whatever the sounds on their songs and.
00:50:52.380 –> 00:50:57.060 Joseph McElroy: Recording, can you tell us what’s going on, currently, and what you have planned for the future.
00:50:57.630 –> 00:51:05.910 Dale Stewart: Absolutely, one of the exciting things that I’m working on right now I mentioned earlier Horrace Kephart who a lot of people in Western North Carolina certainly know.
00:51:06.420 –> 00:51:18.600 Dale Stewart: One of the fathers of the great smoky mountains and an author, who has written many books, but he has his children were also quite remarkable and one of them Leonard Kephart
00:51:19.620 –> 00:51:34.230 Dale Stewart: was the first American to climb Kilimanjaro in East Africa and Leonard was sent over there actually by the Department US Department of Agriculture to look for seeds and grasses that could be used in the United States and.
00:51:35.610 –> 00:51:40.530 Dale Stewart: I felt that this was a story that needed to be told and I’m friends with Libby get part who.
00:51:41.610 –> 00:51:46.590 Dale Stewart: Leonard is are on call and Horrace’s great grandfather and being able to.
00:51:48.150 –> 00:51:55.080 Dale Stewart: Libby I started talking and I found out he found the journals of Leonard.
00:51:56.190 –> 00:52:04.770 Dale Stewart: And was kind enough to share those with man, I said, this is a story that needs to be tail cold and I love telling stories about people who.
00:52:05.610 –> 00:52:14.460 Dale Stewart: really have kind of been lost to history and let it get part is one of those people if you ask most people who were the first American to climb Kilimanjaro they wouldn’t have a clue.
00:52:14.820 –> 00:52:15.000 What.
00:52:17.220 –> 00:52:25.260 Dale Stewart: we’re working on that and that will be that should be finished by late summer early fall and I’m looking forward to getting it out there and.
00:52:25.590 –> 00:52:35.730 Dale Stewart: you’re it’s a different kind of documentary because it’s purely an auto documentary but we’re life we’re utilizing immersive sounds of East Africa.
00:52:35.760 –> 00:52:36.750 In that documentary.
00:52:38.340 –> 00:52:39.570 Dale Stewart: has ever been done before.
00:52:40.290 –> 00:52:46.680 Joseph McElroy: Well, that sounds fantastic I mean I’ve gotten big into audible lately so I’m looking forward to
00:52:47.880 –> 00:52:53.430 Joseph McElroy: hear that that’s great so and you’re going to finish that Cherokee trails book right.
00:52:54.720 –> 00:52:59.610 Dale Stewart: yeah that’s one of the things that you know what I’m doing here I’m also involved with doing some.
00:52:59.610 –> 00:53:15.480 Dale Stewart: things for the Smithsonian folkways with recording different cultures and different things and right behind finished novel Leonard I’ve already got two or three other projects that I’ve been asked to do and I’m also doing sound on a new.
00:53:17.070 –> 00:53:22.590 Dale Stewart: Teddy Roosevelt documentary that that’ll be coming out probably late next year.
00:53:23.610 –> 00:53:34.260 Dale Stewart: And a lot of the sounds of his expeditions at Africa and South America they’re using me to put those together for them.
00:53:35.130 –> 00:53:38.460 Joseph McElroy: So how do people reach out to follow you.
00:53:39.600 –> 00:53:42.360 Dale Stewart: Well, again, the Facebook.
00:53:43.590 –> 00:54:01.050 Dale Stewart: Page you know if you go to Dale Stewart also you can go in and type in nature’s edge, you can also go to if you really want to know a lot about me go to Google and type in my name Dale Stewart and put explore afterward and you’ll probably learn more about me than you ever wonder, no.
00:54:01.440 –> 00:54:08.700 Joseph McElroy: fabulous well Thank you so much, I understand you might be speaking at the Meadowlark Smoky Heritage Center later this year so.
00:54:08.790 –> 00:54:10.380 Joseph McElroy: A couple of you hear that that sounds.
00:54:10.590 –> 00:54:20.880 Joseph McElroy: Great and I appreciate you for being on the show now, I have to do my get night my shout-outs now, this is the awkward moment where I have to talk about things.
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00:55:43.980 –> 00:55:57.090 Joseph McElroy: I remind you that next week, we are going to have Lisa McBride owner of NYC farm to table and online local mark food market manager Jackson.
00:55:57.360 –> 00:56:11.040 Joseph McElroy: county farmers market and founder of from the ground up a local food collaborative and Silva calorie that should be a very interesting discussion on the farm to table food in the mountains of North Carolina smoky mountains area.
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