Joseph starts off the show with his usual intro before going into the sponsored message. After the message, Joseph talks about a traditional, Scottish festival he was attending, with concerts and kilts galore. Then, Joseph introduces the guest of the episode, Joetta Newman. Joseph asks her where she grew up in Kentucky and what it was like. She talks about how she got into the outdoors, explaining how she expressed little interest in the outdoors growing up, contrary to who she is now. The transition into Joetta’s veterinarian degree and what she did as a veterinarian before heading to the break.


Returning from the break, Joseph wanted to learn about how Joetta met her late husband, Denver Holder. She recalls it was during her time doing search and rescues where she would volunteer to, as she describes it, train dogs in hide-and-seek. Her most memorable rescue was a lost old man who wanted McDonald’s and some love. Joetta then talks about geocaching, a sort of scavenger hunt in which the player would explore the environment using GPS and apps. Joetta depicts her experience in getting over her fear of guns and learning how to shoot. This sparks a discussion on guns and the experiences between the two before going to a commercial break.


Coming back, Joseph asks Joetta how she created her business, Mountain Girl Outdoors. She explains how when she got more involved with the outdoors, more women were also asking about the outdoors so Denver and Joetta started up the business in response. She goes on to describe the different programs they offered, the firearms program becoming more and more popular. Now, they offer outdoors, photography, and more. Joseph switches the conversation to her part in turkey conservation. She explains her role in bringing the turkey population back up and succeeding, now having more restrictions on turkey hunting. She also talks about public events offered by her business, although right now, they only offer classes and private lessons.


Back from the final break, Joseph asked about Joetta’s involvement in her time as circus photography. She explains how her friend was a part of a circus, and she was offered to take pictures of them, leading to Joetta traveling with them for a while. Joseph then wanted to know Joetta’s ideal itinerary in Canton. She talks about her ideal breakfast, lunch, and dinner spots along with activities to do in between everything. These can include walks in different parks and ax throwing. They finish off with where they can find Joetta and her business.


00:00:33.660 –> 00:00:45.120 Joseph McElroy: howdy thanks for joining us on this week’s episode of gateway to the smokies this podcast is about America’s most visited National Park, the great.

00:00:45.900 –> 00:00:57.720 Joseph McElroy: smoky mountains national park and the surrounding towns this area’s filled with ancient natural beauty deep storied history and rich mountain culture that we explore with weekly episodes.

00:00:58.410 –> 00:01:10.170 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklyn McElroy man of the world but also with deep roots in these mountains my family is living the great smokies for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.

00:01:11.130 –> 00:01:17.730 Joseph McElroy: Today we’re going to talk about mountain girls outdoors but first let’s talk about sponsors and things like that.

00:01:18.570 –> 00:01:31.620 Joseph McElroy: So I was here to imagine a place evocative motor courts of the past, the modern and vibrant with a Chic Appalachian few a place for adventure and for relaxation.

00:01:32.310 –> 00:01:45.570 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain where it’s trout stream grill that catches on fire, is he accompanied by fine wine or craft beers imagine a place with old.

00:01:46.740 –> 00:01:50.940 Joseph McElroy: Music world cultural so imagine a place with a.

00:01:53.220 –> 00:02:10.230 Joseph McElroy: Natural Heritage pavilion where they play bluegrass at a speakeasy reminiscent of New York with it played modern means there is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel Maggie Valley North Carolina your smoky mountain adventure starts with where you stay.

00:02:11.250 –> 00:02:15.930 Joseph McElroy: Now there’s a bunch of events coming up so I’m gonna go and hit the highlights of it.

00:02:18.000 –> 00:02:29.670 Joseph McElroy: there’s going to be a big holiday party and discovery teeth and it’s going to feature sad and Mrs. Claus coming by around seven o’clock and the children come and.

00:02:30.720 –> 00:02:35.520 Joseph McElroy: tell Santa there what they want for toys will be Christmas music there’ll be eggnog.

00:02:36.540 –> 00:02:54.360 Joseph McElroy: Quote quote special punch but boy there’ll be some heritage goodies desserts and cash bar raffles and prizes a reading of the night before Christmas, by yours truly, so I hope you can make it out on the 18th locals are coming stay with us.

00:02:55.560 –> 00:03:03.000 Joseph McElroy: on December 25th and 6 pm we’re going to have an Appalachian Christmas supper.

00:03:04.290 –> 00:03:14.370 Joseph McElroy: which will feature all the Turkey and ham and all the fixings and you know sweet potatoes green beans that’d be mincemeat pie black rum cake or fruitcake.

00:03:15.300 –> 00:03:26.250 Joseph McElroy: Which are traditional in these mountains other desserts pumps eggnog and a Nice cash bar and there’ll be an after-party at the speakeasy so that’s on December 25 at 6 pm.

00:03:27.930 –> 00:03:31.110 Joseph McElroy: there’ll be a new year’s Eve place in the speakeasy.

00:03:32.160 –> 00:03:47.100 Joseph McElroy: it’s good to have traditional hog gels black eye peas Greens, but in a way you’ve never had them before all right there’ll be a champagne toast cash bar lots of music live music and party favor so come out to see you have a good time it’s 8 pm to 1 am.

00:03:49.590 –> 00:04:03.210 Joseph McElroy: And then save the date I don’t know if you know about it, but in the mountains for many centuries, they used to celebrate Christmas on January six because there was a mix-up or transition from one type of calendar to another.

00:04:04.800 –> 00:04:20.790 Joseph McElroy: And so January six was the date that they would celebrate Christmas on now January 6 also in other traditions is known as a is a all kings day or something like that, but here is called old Christmas so we’re going to have some old Christmas.

00:04:22.110 –> 00:04:29.580 Joseph McElroy: celebrations going on, along with big on Thursday to January six will actually have a look.

00:04:31.980 –> 00:04:35.430 Joseph McElroy: Know like we were called a lecture but I call it like that.

00:04:36.600 –> 00:04:47.640 Joseph McElroy: Discussion by Bob Plott the resident historian here at the motel heritage expert talking about what they used to do for Christmas in math.

00:04:48.720 –> 00:04:55.380 Joseph McElroy: smoky mountains in on the on that Friday we’re going to have probably got some old Christmas storyteller and my son.

00:04:56.790 –> 00:05:07.200 Joseph McElroy: A good storyteller here in these mountains on Saturday night we’ll have Barbecue and music so keep that open and then the big event for January is the Robert Burns.

00:05:08.010 –> 00:05:22.320 Joseph McElroy: dinner that’s going to happen on Tuesday, January 25, which is the traditional day of having a Robert Burns Mr dinner now You might ask what did Robert Burns dinner well Robert Burns was the national poet lower of Scotland.

00:05:23.460 –> 00:05:32.460 Joseph McElroy: Around the time all the Scots Irish people came to the United States, and you know migrating to the mountains of North Carolina and they course really revered and.

00:05:32.820 –> 00:05:43.860 Joseph McElroy: And, and he was also an expert in a lot of the ballads if they would sing you create a lot of them, and he documented the others, so he is a national hero Scotland and.

00:05:44.250 –> 00:05:57.060 Joseph McElroy: It brings a lot of delight to the people in this area, now the burns dinner is traditionally a very raucous revolve with it, you have whiskey tastings and you have.

00:05:57.540 –> 00:06:08.010 Joseph McElroy: Really sumptuous food, you have something called hogs which some people love and some people hey but it’s always worth touching tasting one time in your lifetime is traditional and then there’s toast.

00:06:08.970 –> 00:06:19.380 Joseph McElroy: To the last season than the last season respond back and then there’s music and dancing so it’s a great night it’s very robust and fun entertainment.

00:06:20.340 –> 00:06:28.830 Joseph McElroy: And we’re going to do it now I’ll be wearing a kilt and so some of the other people so you’re welcome to come, but even the days before that starting on the Friday before that 21st.

00:06:29.190 –> 00:06:36.750 Joseph McElroy: we’re going to have Scottish themes events like a whiskey tasting and a concert in the speakeasy Saturday there’ll be another concert.

00:06:37.530 –> 00:06:48.090 Joseph McElroy: In the pavilion, if the weather’s committee otherwise it’ll be up in the lounge will have an on Sunday, with a bonfire historical program by Bob plot.

00:06:49.170 –> 00:06:54.480 Joseph McElroy: And some Scottish ballads by will William Ritter, and then Monday before the bird’s dinner we’re gonna have.

00:06:55.170 –> 00:07:03.030 Joseph McElroy: The program and we asked her Scott’s in North Carolina for presented by Mike Mclean the president of the Haywood county historical society.

00:07:03.510 –> 00:07:13.050 Joseph McElroy: And that should be all a great week of events and fun and you know and it’s great the time so come up to the mountains and cedar and day come to these events in the evening.

00:07:13.590 –> 00:07:19.440 Joseph McElroy: there’s also winter hiking as a tremendous time to visit and see things in the mouth.

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00:07:49.470 –> 00:08:00.660 Joseph McElroy: So today we have a great guest her name is JoEtta Newman Holder a Kentucky native and she’s in Kentucky today she’s doing this route from Kentucky.

00:08:01.200 –> 00:08:06.900 Joseph McElroy: And a graduate of Morehead State University, with a bs degree in veterinary technology.

00:08:07.590 –> 00:08:24.840 Joseph McElroy: In 2015 she opened a business called mountain girls Outdoor that is devoted to getting more females actively involved in outdoor pursuits such as camping hiking fishing hunting conservation and shooting sports hi Joanna how are you doing.

00:08:25.350 –> 00:08:26.700 JoEtta Newman-Holder: hi just fine.

00:08:27.090 –> 00:08:30.180 Joseph McElroy: yeah it feels cold up there and Kentucky today.

00:08:31.080 –> 00:08:32.850 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Today, very cold yes.

00:08:34.260 –> 00:08:48.570 Joseph McElroy: Usually you’re in Canada, which is not far from Maggie Valley, but now we’re and usually I’m in New York, so now I’m in Maggie Valley and you’re happy so well, we all we’re all living at this multi-dimensional life these days right.

00:08:49.350 –> 00:08:55.170 Joseph McElroy: Definitely yeah so you grew up in sort of an urban setting Kentucky right.

00:08:56.730 –> 00:08:58.140 Joseph McElroy: Where was what city was that.

00:08:58.800 –> 00:09:00.270 JoEtta Newman-Holder: um ashland Kentucky.

00:09:02.220 –> 00:09:04.320 Joseph McElroy: And you didn’t really do a lot outdoors right.

00:09:04.890 –> 00:09:25.890 JoEtta Newman-Holder: No, I grew up basically being in the gymnastics world, so I spent my time in the gym and competing on weekends and that sort of thing and then, when I got a little older into high school I got into the band, and that became my life and.

00:09:27.150 –> 00:09:35.550 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Continued on into college and really didn’t get started in the outdoors until I was in college or after.

00:09:36.120 –> 00:09:55.860 Joseph McElroy: wow you know I saw statistics a statistic that was like there was you know, in terms of girls growing up and boys growing up how often they got the opportunity to be in the outdoors and it’s like almost 20% difference in the opportunities presented to them, right.

00:09:56.040 –> 00:09:59.370 Joseph McElroy: it’s nice sometimes it’s, not even a consideration, it must be difficult.

00:09:59.370 –> 00:09:59.970 Joseph McElroy: thing right.

00:10:00.390 –> 00:10:10.230 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It is and it’s also difficult for females than in later life decide to get involved, they don’t know how or where.

00:10:11.940 –> 00:10:16.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And it can be intimidating if, particularly if you’re going into.

00:10:18.990 –> 00:10:24.750 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Not necessarily male-dominated but more males and females.

00:10:26.430 –> 00:10:33.780 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Where they’ve had a chance to do it and growing up, and you haven’t and it can be a little intimidating so.

00:10:35.940 –> 00:10:45.120 Joseph McElroy: Now, did you will talk, I want to get into that we’re going to delve into that a little bit later because that’s what you’re doing and I think it’s potentially interesting, but I want to.

00:10:45.210 –> 00:10:47.550 Joseph McElroy: find out more about how we got here.

00:10:48.000 –> 00:10:49.620 Joseph McElroy: So did you have any.

00:10:51.630 –> 00:10:53.040 Joseph McElroy: interest when you were growing up.

00:10:53.730 –> 00:10:58.590 JoEtta Newman-Holder: um I did, and I would occasionally get to go.

00:11:01.590 –> 00:11:13.590 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Fishing on rare occasions or getting to go on a picnic or I’m here in this area there’s a State Park, that is.

00:11:16.740 –> 00:11:30.630 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Carter caves and we’d go and hype Carter page and go into the cage and that sort of thing, but as a regular occurrence really never got to and.

00:11:31.950 –> 00:11:39.810 JoEtta Newman-Holder: The local girl scouts and that sort of thing weren’t focused on outdoor stuff.

00:11:40.980 –> 00:12:06.900 JoEtta Newman-Holder: If I’d had a chance at that time being boy scouts or something closer to that maybe I would have been more involved in the outdoors but locally our girl scouts and all those types of programs are more geared toward crafting indoor stuff for women and cooking and sewing and.

00:12:07.500 –> 00:12:10.680 JoEtta Newman-Holder: that’s the thing it wasn’t a whole lot of outdoors.

00:12:10.800 –> 00:12:13.770 JoEtta Newman-Holder: opportunity so um.

00:12:14.160 –> 00:12:15.930 Joseph McElroy: I sort of know i’m.

00:12:17.040 –> 00:12:26.550 Joseph McElroy: A very mature age and I could remember that dichotomy about wasn’t girls and boys are in turn careers to do is a pretty dramatic difference in this area.

00:12:27.990 –> 00:12:35.400 JoEtta Newman-Holder: In this area too and I’m probably about your age so it’s very, very similar.

00:12:35.580 –> 00:12:42.900 Joseph McElroy: yeah so so you grew up, we did some things band stuff like that, but you went to Morehead state where you graduated.

00:12:44.580 –> 00:12:48.000 Joseph McElroy: And you’d graduated with a veterinarian technical degree right.

00:12:48.390 –> 00:12:50.220 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Yes, so that was a.

00:12:51.240 –> 00:12:52.680 Joseph McElroy: Very tech, I mean is that, like.

00:12:53.310 –> 00:12:59.250 Joseph McElroy: started, be a lot more technology involved in doing that nary work, and you, you are on a few of the other guard of that.

00:12:59.910 –> 00:13:04.350 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Well it’s more of a nurse.

00:13:05.460 –> 00:13:28.140 JoEtta Newman-Holder: nurse and the field are actually starting to adopt that name but it’s much more than that we do all the radiology we do all the dentistry we do all of the laboratory work we do everything behind the scenes, other than the diagnosis, or the actual treating.

00:13:29.490 –> 00:13:33.870 Joseph McElroy: Just knowing the technology is a pretty intensive course of action now.

00:13:34.470 –> 00:13:36.300 Joseph McElroy: Oh, my God yeah so.

00:13:36.540 –> 00:13:48.720 Joseph McElroy: So you graduated you gotten the job field, and now you are like the Chair of the veterinary technology astral astral bumping Community called bashful welcome fact right.

00:13:48.990 –> 00:13:53.760 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I was I did that for about four years, four or five years.

00:13:54.780 –> 00:14:03.930 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I started out there as an adjunct instructor when the program began, and then eventually moved into the chairperson.

00:14:06.090 –> 00:14:08.760 Joseph McElroy: Well that’s a pretty impressive career path so.

00:14:09.870 –> 00:14:12.210 Joseph McElroy: a fairly short period of time, I think rightly so.

00:14:12.390 –> 00:14:12.780 yeah.

00:14:13.980 –> 00:14:19.560 Joseph McElroy: So you know we’re going to take a break now and we’re talking about your migration to this whole outdoor.

00:14:20.400 –> 00:14:21.210 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Okay, great.

00:16:37.890 –> 00:16:52.650 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcast my guest to edit Newman older so Joanna so around 2005 you met and married your late husband right.

00:16:53.130 –> 00:17:11.760 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I did um we met in search and rescue and he was a local and he grew up in the canton area and his upbringing and his experience in the outdoors was very, very, very different than mine.

00:17:12.300 –> 00:17:16.710 Joseph McElroy: I can imagine growing up here, you know you have to get there and what was his name I missed that.

00:17:17.040 –> 00:17:18.030 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Denver boulder.

00:17:18.600 –> 00:17:23.610 Joseph McElroy: Denver holder right so so so it was a.

00:17:24.690 –> 00:17:31.530 Joseph McElroy: Bob targets talk, he said, Bob, you know of course made some of these give me some of the information he said it was a marriage made in heaven.

00:17:33.120 –> 00:17:39.060 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It was it took us a while to get there, we eventually did.

00:17:39.810 –> 00:17:42.780 Joseph McElroy: yeah but you had some hesitation about guns.

00:17:43.470 –> 00:17:44.220 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I did.

00:17:45.450 –> 00:17:54.210 JoEtta Newman-Holder: growing up, I was in even well past college, I was terrified of guns I couldn’t.

00:17:55.380 –> 00:18:05.430 JoEtta Newman-Holder: walk into a sporting good store anything with guns, in the cases, I literally break out in the cold sweat and.

00:18:07.140 –> 00:18:13.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It was a really new world to me whenever my husband and I met and.

00:18:15.270 –> 00:18:25.260 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We ended up at that point, realizing that if our relationship was going to go any further then I was gonna have to get used to guns real quick.

00:18:27.510 –> 00:18:34.050 Joseph McElroy: Well, you guys met its search and rescue I mean what got you interested in search and rescue.

00:18:34.770 –> 00:18:46.470 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Well I’m got to the area fell in love with the outdoors and already had love of dogs and training and that sort of thing and so.

00:18:48.150 –> 00:19:00.450 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Through a friend and one dog group ended up getting connected to a search and rescue group in the area and it kind of.

00:19:01.500 –> 00:19:13.590 JoEtta Newman-Holder: fuse the two things that time that I love the outdoors and dogs into one thing and got to do, I like to do on a volunteer basis.

00:19:14.430 –> 00:19:16.890 Joseph McElroy: What is the essence of search and rescue training.

00:19:18.660 –> 00:19:31.320 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Basically it’s I’m trying to get the dog to play a game basically teaching dogs, how to do hide and seek and.

00:19:32.880 –> 00:19:55.830 JoEtta Newman-Holder: The difficult part is actually training the people it isn’t the dogs are really good at the whole game, and if they enjoy it they’re really good at it and it doesn’t take a lot of training for them, but the training on the human side is a lot more intensive and a lot more difficult.

00:19:59.160 –> 00:20:03.270 Joseph McElroy: Now, did you get to go out on some a search and rescue operation.

00:20:03.720 –> 00:20:08.160 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh yeah many, many, many yes I’m loved it.

00:20:09.630 –> 00:20:17.310 JoEtta Newman-Holder: always seemed that we got called after dark and more than not, it was raining.

00:20:17.760 –> 00:20:18.390 JoEtta Newman-Holder: So you.

00:20:18.480 –> 00:20:21.690 JoEtta Newman-Holder: got to go try and play around in the dark in the ring.

00:20:22.140 –> 00:20:23.700 Joseph McElroy: What was your most memorable last year.

00:20:24.930 –> 00:20:35.460 JoEtta Newman-Holder: um probably a little old man that had walked away from a nursing home and.

00:20:37.110 –> 00:20:57.420 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We found him and he was so incredibly cold, we found him in a creek and um I was just happy, he was talking to us, but I was trying to getting to talk to me and I didn’t really care what he was saying, as long as he was talking to me, and he ended up proposing.

00:21:02.640 –> 00:21:07.800 Joseph McElroy: that’s nice right yes he’s looking for love, maybe that’s what it out for looking for love right.

00:21:10.020 –> 00:21:19.620 JoEtta Newman-Holder: He wanted to go to McDonald’s and he was out for a while trying to get to McDonald’s and he had always been looking for a woman so.

00:21:22.050 –> 00:21:22.770 Joseph McElroy: There you go.

00:21:24.390 –> 00:21:26.160 Joseph McElroy: So, but your husband probably didn’t agree.

00:21:29.430 –> 00:21:30.030 JoEtta Newman-Holder: With me.

00:21:32.370 –> 00:21:33.780 Joseph McElroy: It was one of those kinds of proposed.

00:21:37.080 –> 00:21:53.490 Joseph McElroy: So, so you, you know you have developed some pretty impressive field, crafts still right is tracking wilderness survival navigational medical medicine, but there was something I saw you learned about GEO caching what is the geocaching.

00:21:53.940 –> 00:22:07.950 JoEtta Newman-Holder: GEO caching is something fun to do outside of search and rescue it in it actually helps with your navigation skills and how to use GPS basically it’s been going on for.

00:22:08.460 –> 00:22:21.270 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Probably 2030 years now, but people set up courses, where you have a starting point, you they give you coordinates are clues.

00:22:22.050 –> 00:22:31.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Via GPS that you go to, and if you get to the end of it’s like a scavenger hunt if you get to the end of it there’s typically a.

00:22:32.490 –> 00:22:54.750 JoEtta Newman-Holder: treasure at the end and basically you leave something behind some small token or something behind or there may be a note inside that you add to it or something like that, but it’s a lot of fun to go do it and in the.

00:22:56.280 –> 00:22:58.500 JoEtta Newman-Holder: haywood county area there’s.

00:22:58.710 –> 00:23:00.660 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A lot of.

00:23:02.160 –> 00:23:05.910 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Hidden treasures geocaching.

00:23:06.930 –> 00:23:08.280 JoEtta Newman-Holder: sites to go to.

00:23:08.670 –> 00:23:12.990 Joseph McElroy: or interesting is done, as a game on so.

00:23:13.080 –> 00:23:20.730 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah it is it’s basically a game of kind of a cross between hiding and seek and I’m.

00:23:22.830 –> 00:23:24.540 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A scavenger hunt so.

00:23:25.050 –> 00:23:26.010 Joseph McElroy: Is there an APP for that.

00:23:26.190 –> 00:23:28.920 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah there’s a lot of Apps actually.

00:23:29.130 –> 00:23:37.650 Joseph McElroy: Really wow yeah something somebody is a visitor could come here and use GEO caching is a fun way to engage with the environment, ready.

00:23:38.100 –> 00:23:38.790 Yes.

00:23:39.810 –> 00:24:05.850 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Definitely, and that was kind of how it was started and people wanting to get out the area or areas and explore and get other people involved, and it was about the same time as GPS has started coming out and getting more popular and affordable and then it just took off from there.

00:24:06.360 –> 00:24:08.130 Joseph McElroy: And what do you think is the best APP for that.

00:24:09.480 –> 00:24:14.100 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh, my goodness um there are so many of them now that’s.

00:24:14.460 –> 00:24:20.100 Joseph McElroy: fairly simple for somebody coming to the air that’s just wanted to have it sort of a casual fun experience.

00:24:21.000 –> 00:24:38.610 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Basically, if you go and search geocaching in Haywood county and it will actually bring up different lists of caching sites and you can just choose which one you want to go find your day.

00:24:39.090 –> 00:24:44.490 Joseph McElroy: Oh wow okay cool alright that sounds like a real adventure, I have to.

00:24:45.810 –> 00:24:52.080 Joseph McElroy: I’m now writing that down and they’re going to look that up because that could be great for my guests here, the Meadowlark motel, right.

00:24:52.290 –> 00:25:01.620 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah yes and there’s several in Maggie um and there are easier ones are harder ones train wise.

00:25:02.880 –> 00:25:07.680 JoEtta Newman-Holder: there’s actually a couple over on paper Community college campus.

00:25:08.730 –> 00:25:17.010 JoEtta Newman-Holder: So if you’re just getting started and don’t want to go out and get lost in the woods and it’s easy.

00:25:19.200 –> 00:25:23.850 Joseph McElroy: You can do some training, the first day before you go, yes, all right there you go cool.

00:25:25.350 –> 00:25:40.020 Joseph McElroy: So you overcame your fear of guns and you learned all these survival skills so then your husband was an expert in hunting and fishing and target shooting and you took an interest.

00:25:40.710 –> 00:25:42.510 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh, I did um.

00:25:43.710 –> 00:25:49.770 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Once we got together and I realized, I was gonna have to come overcome the whole gun issue.

00:25:51.030 –> 00:26:05.130 JoEtta Newman-Holder: He actually brought me a little, and I sat on the couch and literally didn’t open the box for probably the first two weeks and just sat there and touched it and got used to being in there and.

00:26:06.630 –> 00:26:09.570 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Then open the box and shut the box and then start.

00:26:11.640 –> 00:26:17.610 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And finally got the instruction manual out and Dug it by reading it and.

00:26:18.930 –> 00:26:30.870 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Finally, started actually touching the gun itself and then learned how to take it apart, one of my husband’s favorite stories was one night he came home and he said.

00:26:32.460 –> 00:26:34.590 JoEtta Newman-Holder: You got it taken apart now, what are you gonna do.

00:26:37.560 –> 00:26:40.110 JoEtta Newman-Holder: tomorrow night I’ll put it back together tomorrow night.

00:26:42.750 –> 00:26:51.960 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And then, it took me about 18 months before I started shooting and after that, I literally fell in love with it.

00:26:53.370 –> 00:26:54.330 JoEtta Newman-Holder: and

00:26:55.890 –> 00:27:05.820 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It kind of took off from there and I started hunting and coming from an animal care background, it was kind of interesting.

00:27:07.350 –> 00:27:13.410 Joseph McElroy: How did you make that jump from loving animals and animal care into a willingness to shoot.

00:27:14.250 –> 00:27:20.040 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I had always until that point I didn’t want to kill Bambi etc.

00:27:21.390 –> 00:27:43.890 JoEtta Newman-Holder: But once I got into that side of the culture and realized, it was a lot more than just going out and killing an animal and I was going out to do it for actual food and we used that everything that we possibly use of the animal.

00:27:45.210 –> 00:27:54.780 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It was also very, very, very social, not only with other people, but it was something that my husband and I could go out and do together and we really enjoyed it.

00:27:55.530 –> 00:28:07.830 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Because he had grown up hunting and he spent more time outdoors than he did indoors growing up, so it was one more thing that we could do together and we really enjoyed doing together.

00:28:09.660 –> 00:28:13.440 JoEtta Newman-Holder: So I got past that.

00:28:15.720 –> 00:28:27.120 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It was more of an I’m not just going out and aimlessly killing something I’m actually going out and for purpose.

00:28:28.320 –> 00:28:30.900 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And at that time.

00:28:32.160 –> 00:28:38.850 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Beef and chicken were giving me issues, and when I switched to deer meat venison.

00:28:40.050 –> 00:28:41.370 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Those issues went away.

00:28:42.420 –> 00:28:45.120 JoEtta Newman-Holder: So it was a.

00:28:47.550 –> 00:28:49.440 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It was kind of a necessity.

00:28:49.830 –> 00:28:56.250 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And overcame that severe love doesn’t kill.

00:28:57.360 –> 00:29:03.690 JoEtta Newman-Holder: mentality and it’s been it hasn’t been that bad of a journey.

00:29:03.990 –> 00:29:06.120 Joseph McElroy: sounds like you thought about it and then.

00:29:07.980 –> 00:29:19.590 Joseph McElroy: In general Nada is a big gun advocate but I’m not the I grew up here so I’m not like you know, a rabid anti-gun either you know, like you know I know the farmers got it sometimes have a.

00:29:21.600 –> 00:29:26.520 Joseph McElroy: sort of fast shooting gun, you know to take care of codes that are about to kill our livestock me.

00:29:26.580 –> 00:29:39.480 Joseph McElroy: Right and then you know and then there’s been no humankind is to destroy a lot of predators, which means that a lot of the other animals get overcrowded they starve to death, so.

00:29:39.840 –> 00:29:53.700 Joseph McElroy: letting humans, be the predators, they are in certain situations is a necessity because it’s the only alternative, so I, so we have to take a break we’ll come back and we’ll talk about your mountain.

00:29:54.900 –> 00:29:56.070 Joseph McElroy: Mountain girls outdoors.

00:30:01.980 –> 00:30:02.130 JoEtta Newman-Holder: New.

00:32:03.780 –> 00:32:14.130 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast my guest Joetta Newman Holder so to add to that.

00:32:15.090 –> 00:32:30.660 Joseph McElroy: So 2005 you met your husband and you were doing little certain random search rescue, but you were by far not involved in Hunting, Fishing, and all this sort of stuff 2015 rolls around and you’re creating mountain girls outdoors tell me how that happened.

00:32:34.620 –> 00:32:36.180 Joseph McElroy: It got to the point that.

00:32:36.600 –> 00:32:39.150 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It got to the point that I was.

00:32:41.010 –> 00:32:51.780 JoEtta Newman-Holder: getting more and more involved in the outdoors and more and more women were wanting to know how to get involved in the outdoors and so.

00:32:52.860 –> 00:33:07.290 JoEtta Newman-Holder: At that time I had left my job at ad tech as the chairperson for the vet tech program and my husband and I decided that start a business for

00:33:08.910 –> 00:33:16.110 JoEtta Newman-Holder: trying to get more women involved in the outdoors kind of evolved and started.

00:33:17.430 –> 00:33:23.430 JoEtta Newman-Holder: getting us thinking about doing it, and so we opened it up and.

00:33:27.270 –> 00:33:31.290 JoEtta Newman-Holder: In hopes of getting more women involved in the outdoors.

00:33:32.610 –> 00:33:33.240 cool.

00:33:35.610 –> 00:33:47.970 Joseph McElroy: And you were what we spent you were focused on like single mothers and young and old, women, and we were trying to introduce outdoor skills and familiarity of firearms about for both sport and protection right.

00:33:48.330 –> 00:34:02.730 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Yes, well, it started out trying to get women in particular involved in the outdoors because we felt that if you get the female and female part of the family involved.

00:34:03.240 –> 00:34:21.330 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Then they’re more likely to participate with the rest of the family, so if they had ways or other female children, and they would also get them out the wars and involved in the outdoors if they were married.

00:34:22.950 –> 00:34:39.900 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And the husband and the boys in the family, like to go outside and hunt fish camp, whatever it happened to be, and she felt a little intimidated or wasn’t as involved as she could be.

00:34:40.920 –> 00:34:58.050 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We were trying to give her white and become more knowledgeable about those things, so they wouldn’t be as intimidated and hopefully get more families outdoors whether was camping or fishing or.

00:34:59.190 –> 00:35:01.530 JoEtta Newman-Holder: farms or whatever it may be.

00:35:03.690 –> 00:35:17.130 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And it kind of evolved from there, we were we did everything and do everything from basic camping land navigation hiking.

00:35:18.600 –> 00:35:46.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We did do some fishing whether it’s regular like lake fishing or fly fishing and we started some archery classes and during the process, I became an instructor for multiple firearms and started offering introductory classes for women.

00:35:48.660 –> 00:36:01.710 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Whether or not they wanted to have a gun to protect themselves, or if there was a gun already in the House, and they were terrified of guns like I was.

00:36:02.220 –> 00:36:25.470 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And just wanted to become a little bit more familiar with guns, so they weren’t as terrifying and then it just kind of evolved from there into we were doing more and more firearms classes, then we were a lot of the outdoor classes, we were doing a few outdoor classes, but.

00:36:27.030 –> 00:36:32.280 JoEtta Newman-Holder: It became more and more of a demand for the firearm classes.

00:36:32.760 –> 00:36:33.210 Right.

00:36:34.230 –> 00:36:39.300 Joseph McElroy: So, so you initially had a broke brick and mortar school store, but to hear that right.

00:36:39.720 –> 00:36:41.610 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah we ended up.

00:36:43.200 –> 00:36:44.880 JoEtta Newman-Holder: coven kind of did that in.

00:36:45.060 –> 00:36:46.230 Joseph McElroy: yeah we did that.

00:36:48.120 –> 00:36:48.750 Joseph McElroy: And then.

00:36:49.830 –> 00:36:54.030 Joseph McElroy: You know, and 2019, of course, your husband died, which I’m so sorry about.

00:36:54.450 –> 00:36:55.890 JoEtta Newman-Holder: That, thank you, I appreciate it.

00:36:55.950 –> 00:37:00.540 Joseph McElroy: I had my spouse long time die in 2014 so.

00:37:02.790 –> 00:37:13.200 Joseph McElroy: I know it’s impressive that you were able to maintain and build upon a business that you both have created so my Hats off to do that because I wasn’t able to do that.

00:37:15.360 –> 00:37:18.030 Joseph McElroy: So what, what do you offer now.

00:37:19.110 –> 00:37:38.220 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And we still offer a lot of outdoor classes and if somebody is interested in camping or fishing or fly fishing or just hiking getting to know where to go, what do I need to take with my basics.

00:37:39.420 –> 00:37:45.990 JoEtta Newman-Holder: To actually set up trips and we also do.

00:37:48.030 –> 00:37:56.730 JoEtta Newman-Holder: photography type classes and that’s something else that I’ve gotten into recently hardwood heavy is a lot of photography so.

00:37:58.620 –> 00:37:59.730 Joseph McElroy: wildlife photography.

00:38:00.210 –> 00:38:09.540 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A wildlife landscape and in about the last month, a lot of portrait family stuff.

00:38:10.020 –> 00:38:13.050 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And I was doing events.

00:38:13.110 –> 00:38:15.480 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Like Meadowlark and that sort of thing.

00:38:17.040 –> 00:38:18.630 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I was doing.

00:38:20.220 –> 00:38:24.510 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I would go over to Cherokee and do the.

00:38:25.680 –> 00:38:29.550 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Stickball games for stickball gains.

00:38:30.780 –> 00:38:37.110 JoEtta Newman-Holder: full moon I would do a lot of photography dance and their events and that sort of thing.

00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:52.320 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And it’s kind of evolved recently I’ve had a few friends ask me to do some family stuff for a while and it’s I’m starting to get busier and busier.

00:38:53.070 –> 00:39:00.990 Joseph McElroy: Well that’s fabulous so I was reading, you are, you are part of the national wild Turkey federation, what is that.

00:39:01.740 –> 00:39:05.580 JoEtta Newman-Holder: National wild Turkey federation originally was.

00:39:05.970 –> 00:39:06.810 Joseph McElroy: Not only.

00:39:08.010 –> 00:39:08.490 JoEtta Newman-Holder: No.

00:39:09.540 –> 00:39:11.100 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Wrong wild Turkey that.

00:39:12.750 –> 00:39:23.340 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I’m day we’re almost eradicated from most of the US from over honey and.

00:39:25.650 –> 00:39:38.130 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A group of people decided that they wanted to bring back turkeys in the population and over several years it has been very, very successful.

00:39:39.570 –> 00:39:54.090 JoEtta Newman-Holder: in areas like eastern and western North Carolina and Eastern North Carolina and they have populated, to the point that they have been able to open up hunting seasons again.

00:39:56.040 –> 00:40:17.280 JoEtta Newman-Holder: they’re running around all over the place, you can drive down the road we’ll see him on the side we’re very easy going into cow Ricci and they’re all over the place, so they’ve gone from basically almost extinct in some areas to very, very, very, very populous again.

00:40:17.790 –> 00:40:27.600 Joseph McElroy: Now, do you have you also in terms of saving and you also have efforts to you know do hunting is sustainable and.

00:40:27.960 –> 00:40:28.260 Yes.

00:40:29.280 –> 00:40:29.850 JoEtta Newman-Holder: That is.

00:40:30.180 –> 00:40:46.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A large part of it is once they get established in the area and they come back into populations that you can sustain hunting is trying to work with local areas state.

00:40:48.090 –> 00:40:50.370 JoEtta Newman-Holder: wildlife trying to.

00:40:52.860 –> 00:40:56.610 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Do it responsibly, so we don’t eradicate them again.

00:40:57.090 –> 00:40:58.860 Joseph McElroy: And they do that over.

00:40:58.890 –> 00:41:02.670 Joseph McElroy: The coyotes become so big prevalent because they.

00:41:05.790 –> 00:41:09.150 Joseph McElroy: Have no history, no meanwhile wild turkeys Is that true.

00:41:10.620 –> 00:41:20.070 JoEtta Newman-Holder: There is some truth to that there they do have a lot of other predators like skunk some possums and.

00:41:20.550 –> 00:41:21.030 Joseph McElroy: Oh, really.

00:41:21.390 –> 00:41:22.080 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah and.

00:41:23.430 –> 00:41:30.390 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And there’s a lot of other predators out there and coyotes are a big part of it, but they’re.

00:41:31.410 –> 00:41:39.510 JoEtta Newman-Holder: they’re not as big of a problem as some people think that they are

00:41:41.820 –> 00:41:46.950 Joseph McElroy: . OK cool. So, what is your website for this, the only people who find more information about it?

00:41:48.000 –> 00:41:50.700 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Is

00:41:51.780 –> 00:41:52.410 Joseph McElroy: What is a.

00:41:53.010 –> 00:41:54.930 JoEtta Newman-Holder:

00:41:55.350 –> 00:41:59.310 Joseph McElroy: and your Facebook page too.

00:41:59.880 –> 00:42:00.900 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah.

00:42:01.110 –> 00:42:04.980 Joseph McElroy: And you have events for the general public, or is it all classes.

00:42:05.760 –> 00:42:06.300 and

00:42:07.500 –> 00:42:19.980 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Right now, it is all basically classes and eventually hopefully we’ll start opening up to doing some.

00:42:21.720 –> 00:42:30.390 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Like some public hikes and things like that, but right now, it is mostly classes and.

00:42:31.650 –> 00:42:39.210 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We will do private classes, we will actually go into the home, on occasion, if a group of.

00:42:41.550 –> 00:43:03.390 JoEtta Newman-Holder: 610 people want to a specific class will actually go to somebody’s home or a business and there’s a couple of businesses around town that have gone and done classes for the entire staff and that sort of thing is either team building or just something fun that they all want to do.

00:43:05.850 –> 00:43:09.960 Joseph McElroy: Are hunting and camping and fishing and that sort of classes.

00:43:10.320 –> 00:43:11.790 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Yes, and.

00:43:13.170 –> 00:43:22.560 JoEtta Newman-Holder: If there’s a group of people that want like a concealed carry class um I will do that for concealed carry as well.

00:43:23.220 –> 00:43:37.650 Joseph McElroy: And if there’s a woman, that is trepidations about getting involved in the outdoors in a way that she’s never been before yeah How would you approach you to start something that would be your first course of action that says they should take.

00:43:39.270 –> 00:43:43.680 JoEtta Newman-Holder: and get room get with somebody that you trust.

00:43:44.700 –> 00:43:49.680 JoEtta Newman-Holder: That was wondering reasons why we started the business was because.

00:43:50.940 –> 00:44:04.710 JoEtta Newman-Holder: A lot of times, particularly with hunting and shooting and those in fishing those types of things it’s so male-dominated that males tend to be a little.

00:44:05.580 –> 00:44:15.960 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Less patient and be a little bit forceful or um I don’t know really how to explain it but.

00:44:16.500 –> 00:44:35.670 JoEtta Newman-Holder: They can be more intimidating and I’ve been in that place of intimidation and just terrified and I understand that and I know that and I will meet somebody where they’re at and not push them past what they can handle or what they’re ready for.

00:44:36.150 –> 00:44:45.900 Joseph McElroy: Okay well we’ll take a break here we’ll come back we’ll talk about some of the areas that you think are great to visit in the mountains here in North Carolina both of honey and then just in general.

00:44:45.990 –> 00:44:46.950 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Alright sounds great.

00:46:48.990 –> 00:47:04.920 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcast and my guest Joetta Newman Holder so Joetta before we move on to canton area and things to do in the smokies I  know one thing that bothered pointed out to me that.

00:47:07.980 –> 00:47:08.670 Joseph McElroy: pictures.

00:47:10.710 –> 00:47:11.610 Joseph McElroy: where’d that come from.

00:47:12.480 –> 00:47:15.060 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I’m sorry it froze and I.

00:47:15.060 –> 00:47:20.520 Joseph McElroy: Miss so you were working with circuses you’re taking photography photographs of circuits is quite a bit.

00:47:21.270 –> 00:47:42.090 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah that was I there was a circus that came in local to Asheville and I befriended a couple of the cast members and started going back over and over and over and taking photos for them and then ended up following them too.

00:47:43.410 –> 00:47:51.720 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Georgia and spent a couple of weeks there with them, so it was a lot of fun.

00:47:51.990 –> 00:47:54.210 Joseph McElroy: You like to take adventures, what was the name of the surface.

00:47:54.810 –> 00:47:56.340 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Then either circus.

00:47:56.670 –> 00:47:57.570 Joseph McElroy: Okay cool.

00:47:59.130 –> 00:48:06.960 Joseph McElroy: So uh yeah we’re managed to survive toby things are going on, do you have any future plans for your business.

00:48:08.010 –> 00:48:12.570 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I’m actually and just trying to keep it up and going.

00:48:14.040 –> 00:48:15.780 Joseph McElroy: Hard these times so that’s good.

00:48:17.130 –> 00:48:17.790 JoEtta Newman-Holder: and

00:48:19.380 –> 00:48:27.720 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I’m excited to expand to the photography side of things so that’s where it’s going at the moment.

00:48:29.160 –> 00:48:41.400 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know when I talk with guests and live in the area I like to find out things that they find interesting where would be a good place for somebody to go view wildlife this area take photographs.

00:48:42.270 –> 00:48:53.220 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And one of my favorite places to go in the area and it’s relatively easy to access the wildlife is.

00:48:54.870 –> 00:48:56.730 JoEtta Newman-Holder: The Coyote Valley.

00:48:57.240 –> 00:49:06.720 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Where there’s a lot of wild turkey’s there’s, of course, squirrels and birds and that sort of thing but you’ve got the elk as well.

00:49:07.830 –> 00:49:22.380 JoEtta Newman-Holder: One of my other favorite places to go is paid code and it’s very, very busy, but if you’re in dissing wildlife chances of getting to see deer in there and that sort of thing is fairly high.

00:49:24.090 –> 00:49:31.200 Joseph McElroy: And when you take people out on the humps or things like that you take you take them out places.

00:49:31.620 –> 00:49:39.060 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I can, and I have done some mentor hunts with the wild Turkey federation.

00:49:40.080 –> 00:49:50.100 JoEtta Newman-Holder: with different chapters that have hosted women-only mentored hunts and I’ve taken women out on those.

00:49:50.430 –> 00:49:50.790 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And that’s.

00:49:51.390 –> 00:49:56.190 Joseph McElroy: Where do you take, where you lose happened to me you don’t mess with your the detail work general areas.

00:49:56.460 –> 00:50:10.740 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And typically the ones in particular that I’ve participated in the past have been more central to and to eastern North Carolina I’m.

00:50:10.860 –> 00:50:12.000 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Down passionately.

00:50:12.690 –> 00:50:22.680 Joseph McElroy: Okay cool um so you know you live in canton, which is part of a wood county and it’s a wonderful place to live.

00:50:22.860 –> 00:50:23.430 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Right yeah.

00:50:23.820 –> 00:50:28.080 Joseph McElroy: I like to talk about an itinerary today no small mountain town.

00:50:29.130 –> 00:50:39.210 Joseph McElroy: With the people who live there for a while, so I mentioned this to you, so you know if you were if somebody came to visit canton Where would you recommend they have breakfast.

00:50:39.840 –> 00:50:55.770 JoEtta Newman-Holder: One of my favorite actress spots it’s a little mom and pop for when the wall is the pioneer it’s actually inclined and not very far outside of communion but that’s one of my favorite breakfast places.

00:50:56.370 –> 00:51:00.630 Joseph McElroy: cool and then after they finish their breakfast which the favorite dishes there.

00:51:01.470 –> 00:51:04.290 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh gosh and that’s hard.

00:51:07.230 –> 00:51:07.830 Joseph McElroy: really good.

00:51:08.850 –> 00:51:12.360 Joseph McElroy: Good good biscuits and gravy and all that sort of stuff right but.

00:51:12.390 –> 00:51:12.840 yeah.

00:51:14.070 –> 00:51:17.370 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And I’ll twin Maggie better biscuit.

00:51:17.520 –> 00:51:25.230 Joseph McElroy: Is awesome yeah So if you so if somebody after breakfast Where would you recommend going out have some fun.

00:51:26.460 –> 00:51:35.520 JoEtta Newman-Holder: um depending on what you want to go blue if you just want to go for a drive the parkways are always an amazing place to go for a drive.

00:51:35.910 –> 00:51:44.730 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah and it’s it and, again, one of my favorite places to go is down in cattle he valley and that’s kind of.

00:51:46.020 –> 00:51:48.420 JoEtta Newman-Holder: An experience, just to get there.

00:51:48.540 –> 00:51:49.260 In itself.

00:51:53.040 –> 00:51:55.740 Joseph McElroy: in Canada, what is in Canada what’s fun to do.

00:51:56.400 –> 00:52:06.660 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I’m actually in and around Clinton and there’s not a whole unfortunately there’s not a whole lot.

00:52:07.860 –> 00:52:15.960 JoEtta Newman-Holder: To go do during the day, we do have a few nice shops downtown to go visit.

00:52:17.610 –> 00:52:28.440 JoEtta Newman-Holder: We also during, particularly the summer there’s a lot of Nice festivals and picking in the park and.

00:52:28.740 –> 00:52:34.860 Joseph McElroy: Things like that you have a good farmers market there that would be somewhat Saturday Sunday that has music yeah.

00:52:35.100 –> 00:52:43.860 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah and it’s expanded recently and they’ve been open like Thursday through Saturday it’s been.

00:52:44.340 –> 00:52:52.020 Joseph McElroy: really nice little like a little market square Mike has gone there and play he really, really does it’s kind of cool it’s kind of Nice.

00:52:52.050 –> 00:52:56.940 JoEtta Newman-Holder: So it is it’s really nice and then.

00:52:58.740 –> 00:53:01.530 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Well, the floods kind of did the park in.

00:53:02.070 –> 00:53:03.540 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And Colin.

00:53:04.680 –> 00:53:07.500 Joseph McElroy: was a perfect little come back yeah but.

00:53:07.830 –> 00:53:15.690 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Once they come back and are cleaned up and it’s the park runs along the river.

00:53:16.260 –> 00:53:17.190 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And it’s a.

00:53:17.280 –> 00:53:19.770 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Really really nice place to walk.

00:53:21.540 –> 00:53:23.940 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Or take the kids and play the.

00:53:24.720 –> 00:53:26.400 Joseph McElroy: Wherever you’re going to do for lunch.

00:53:28.020 –> 00:53:37.260 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh there’s a lot of really good lunch places, and I particularly enjoy like the southern porch in canton.

00:53:37.740 –> 00:53:38.400 JoEtta Newman-Holder: and

00:53:38.490 –> 00:53:39.990 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I like Jay rose.

00:53:41.340 –> 00:53:43.050 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Great sandwiches.

00:53:44.760 –> 00:53:52.500 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh gosh there’s then just outside the area there are Mexican restaurants and.

00:53:52.890 –> 00:53:57.270 Joseph McElroy: there are lots of great things and how about bear water is a pretty good place right.

00:53:57.570 –> 00:53:58.950 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh yeah bad water.

00:54:00.210 –> 00:54:02.940 JoEtta Newman-Holder: it’s another place, that the flood.

00:54:03.240 –> 00:54:08.580 Joseph McElroy: God, but they were early they have a great restaurant and Maggie Valley, to call the bear.

00:54:09.270 –> 00:54:09.780 But.

00:54:10.890 –> 00:54:12.240 JoEtta Newman-Holder: The second place yeah.

00:54:12.630 –> 00:54:13.170 Joseph McElroy: yeah that’s.

00:54:13.830 –> 00:54:14.580 JoEtta Newman-Holder: going out.

00:54:15.420 –> 00:54:16.380 Joseph McElroy: And when they get the kids.

00:54:16.410 –> 00:54:20.970 Joseph McElroy: When they get the canton one back, it will be worthwhile because it’s beautiful, that was a beautiful place that was fun.

00:54:22.140 –> 00:54:23.400 Joseph McElroy: afternoon, what would you do.

00:54:23.550 –> 00:54:25.890 Joseph McElroy: yeah I mean I’m sure similar things but.

00:54:27.420 –> 00:54:30.720 Joseph McElroy: They have some things going on this afternoon that’s worthwhile.

00:54:31.140 –> 00:54:35.010 JoEtta Newman-Holder: I hear rumors that they’re getting ready to open up.

00:54:36.120 –> 00:54:41.220 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Some new shops and possibly an x following disability.

00:54:41.340 –> 00:54:45.510 Joseph McElroy: Oh fabulous all right so something I’ve been talking about doing that Maggie two.

00:54:47.820 –> 00:54:49.440 Joseph McElroy: Extra is a thing to do.

00:54:50.580 –> 00:54:50.700 Joseph McElroy: It.

00:54:52.140 –> 00:54:52.680 Joseph McElroy: yeah.

00:54:54.240 –> 00:55:03.210 Joseph McElroy: You know I gotta take us down because we’re coming to the end of our time, so if you have one name to shout out for dinner shout it out now.

00:55:04.170 –> 00:55:11.910 JoEtta Newman-Holder: Oh dinner, one of my favorite places for dinner it’s not in canton it’s just outside canton and blue rooster.

00:55:14.340 –> 00:55:18.450 Joseph McElroy: A blue rooster is kind of not I really liked the shrimp and grits they’re really good so.

00:55:19.890 –> 00:55:22.320 Joseph McElroy: It is to the mall but the food is really good.

00:55:22.440 –> 00:55:24.510 JoEtta Newman-Holder: yeah playing land is to die.

00:55:24.510 –> 00:55:31.290 Joseph McElroy: For so any other shoutouts anything any other way you want people to reach out to you in any way.

00:55:32.220 –> 00:55:40.890 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And I just they can reach me via my most likely The easiest way to get me through Facebook.

00:55:42.630 –> 00:55:47.520 JoEtta Newman-Holder: And the websites up and down right now trying to reconstruct it.

00:55:48.990 –> 00:56:04.650 Joseph McElroy: So that’s the mountain girl girls out the mountain girl outdoors webs web Facebook page which you can find things mountain outdoors girl right alright cool Well, this is, I appreciate so much you’ve been on the show and it’s been.

00:56:04.650 –> 00:56:05.730 Joseph McElroy: very interesting.

00:56:06.990 –> 00:56:10.230 Joseph McElroy: This is the been the gateway the smoke podcast

00:56:11.280 –> 00:56:23.220 Joseph McElroy: As we’re every week on talk radio NYC, which is a great network of live podcasts right after this one is coffee talk XL, which is a wonderful podcast.

00:56:24.180 –> 00:56:29.850 Joseph McElroy: And you can find more about this podcast on

00:56:30.150 –> 00:56:40.650 Joseph McElroy: Or you can find all the episodes on click on the gateway to the smokies podcast at the top of the page and you can find out all sorts of information about this podcast.

00:56:40.980 –> 00:56:59.790 Joseph McElroy: Again I’ll see you guys will be in reruns for a few weeks, but after the middle of January we back more live shows again talk, listen to the reruns next week same time six to seven, and thank you for being part of the show today.